Wow what a dope!
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jarrodmcdonald-1 — 11 years ago(October 08, 2014 08:28 AM)
Sounds like you are trying awfully hard to defend her. I get it, you're a fan. But she is acting wacky and people are going to rake her over the coals. She's black. If she was purple, we'd be saying she's purple. She doesn't sleep with men. If she did, we'd be saying she sleeps with men. Again, I am not slamming her for who she is but for how she is trying to say she is not what she is. It's weird and no matter how she spins it, she is still going to be typed and labeled. That's life.
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Brian_and_the_Revolution — 11 years ago(October 08, 2014 09:25 PM)
Yep, last time I checked, a lesbian means a woman who's romantically involved with other women. So yes, Raven is as gay as Ellen Page. Nobody has time for the million and one LGBTQRSTUV definitions.
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The_Dougster — 11 years ago(October 09, 2014 04:02 AM)
Sounds like you are trying awfully hard to defend her. I get it, you're a fan.
I'm actually relatively indifferent to this individual. I just don't get some of this criticism. Firstly, I applaud black people who'd prefer
NOT
to be referred to as African-Americans. I think the whole hyphen thing is unnecessary and divisive.
But she is acting wacky and people are going to rake her over the coals. She's black. If she was purple, we'd be saying she's purple. She doesn't sleep with men. If she did, we'd be saying she sleeps with men. Again, I am not slamming her for who she is but for how she is trying to say she is not what she is. It's weird and no matter how she spins it, she is still going to be typed and labeled. That's life.
That doesn't mean she has to type and label
herself
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galahadfairlight — 11 years ago(October 09, 2014 02:29 PM)
Shes not acting 'wacky' at all, shes pointing out that her colour and her sexual orientation shouldn't be an issue and she shouldn't have to wear the associated labels just to 'fit in'.
If Charlize Theron decides to become an American citizen, you do realise she would genuinely be able to call herself an 'African-American'.
How does that help your stupid unnecessary labeling now?
Why is it even necessary for people to label themselves?
Most black Americans have been so for GENERATIONS.
My family history spans to Norway and France. Do I now as a Brit embrace my heritage and rename myself?
What would I achieve by doing so?
People talk about 'pride in their heritage'. How can you have a pride in a plada0ce that you've likely never visited and likely never will? Pride only extends to a naming convention, but not actually going to the place you've named yourself after?!?!?! What a load of bollocks.
Its divisive nonsense, it separates people for no sane reason than on what they look like.
Wacky? Way to go with trivialising it you moron!
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jarrodmcdonald-1 — 11 years ago(October 09, 2014 03:58 PM)
It looks like people really responded (negatively) to the word 'wacky.' I guess you never know what will set people off. That's interesting.
I have been posting on other websites about this, and since yesterday my point of view has changed a bit. Also, since yesterday, Raven herself has clarified her statements. At issue was whether she was denying her blackness, and she was quoted today as saying she's not doing that. She just doesn't like the term 'African American.'
What I wonder here, and I suppose everyone else can help me on this, is why why do people take offense at the use of the word African? Is it because the younger generation is using that word as a put-down to symbolize jungle2000 or tribal heritage? Because people whose families harken back centuries to Iceland or New Zealand do not get bent out of shape when it comes to someone reminding them where they came from. Some nice and courteous feedback would be appreciated enlighten me, please.
Also, I do want to say that I have had many battles in my life about stereotyping and labels. So I can most definitely relate to Raven and others on that part of the discussion. But what I posted yesterday was that life is unfortunately all about labels and classifications, and we have to deal with it, even if we do not like the fact it exists the way it does. That's all I was saying. Now it's your turn to think I'm wacky. LOL
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galahadfairlight — 11 years ago(October 10, 2014 04:57 AM)
It looks like people really responded (negatively) to the word 'wacky.' I guess you never know what will set people off. That's interesting.
Denigrating someones opinion as 'wacky' is pretty much the same to me as saying a 'Homosexual or Lesbian will grow out of it', i.e. you take no notice of their opinion and pass it off as a fad if you will. Specifically using a word like 'wacky', suggests shes a bit mental and not in charge of her faculties, a case of not even trying to challenge what shes saying, just saying shes mad as if thats a relevant response.
I have been posting on other websites about this, and since yesterday my point of view has changed a bit. Also, since yesterday, Raven herself has clarified her statements.
She didn't need to though. Only those that were knee jerk and frankly looking for an issue needed to be placated, because they took what she said wrongly.
At issue was whether she was denying her blackness, and she was quoted today as saying she's not doing that. She just doesn't like the term 'African American.'
No, the issue was for other people, not her. I fully agree with her, why should she have to accept labels that she feels doesn't apply to her or are not all of what she is?
For instance, no-one refers to me as an 'English white heterosexual', its an unnecessary label to put on people and achieves?
What I wonder here, and I suppose everyone else can help me on this, is why why do people take offense at the use of the word African?
You've got it all wrong largely. Most people around the rest of the world don't see what the relevance is of this entire "I'm an X-American", whether it be Irish, Scottish, British, French, African, they are entirely bizarre and pointless labels, they do nothing but say to people "I'm part of this group, you're not part of this group."
Sounds pretty fvcking divisive to me.
And most of the people claiming that they are Irish-American, their ancestors were in America before the Titanic sank!
Same goes for Italian-Americans and African-Americans, unless you're a recent incumbent, you're AMERICAN, or is that a dirty word?
Is it because the younger generation is using that word as a put-down to symbolize jungle or tribal heritage?
Its because its meaningless. "Great your ancestors came from Africa or Italy, but YOU emphatically don't. You were born in America, so was your father, and his father, and his father."
But with the African-American name, its this assumption that they do come from Africa, and for a lot of people today,they understandably don't want a title or label attached to them that may not be true, and bears no relevance to who they are today.
Because people whose families harken back centuries to Iceland or New Zealand do not get bent out of shape when it comes to someone reminding them where they came from. Some nice and courteous feedback would be appreciated enlighten me, please.
You've been enlightened.
Also, I do want to say that I have had many battles in my life about stereotyping and labels. So I can most definitely relate to Raven and others on that part of the discussion. But what I posted yesterday was that life is unfortunately all about labels and classifications, and we have to deal with it, even if we do not like the fact it exists the way it does. That's all I was saying. Now it's your turn to think I'm wacky. LOL
Who says people have to accept labels?
If people don't insist that I refer to myself as "English white male heterosexual", I see no need to refer to someone like Raven-Symone as "African-American black female lesbian."
Seems to me that labels only really apply to people that are not considered part of the 'normal', and when the world is as diverse as it is today, you may want to reconsider what constitutes 'normal' today
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fraggle40 — 11 years ago(November 16, 2014 01:04 PM)
She's not trying to deny what she is, she just doesn't feel the need to shout out "I'm a black lesbian" from the rooftops. Hell, do you think it weird that I don't tell everyone that I'm a straight white-British woman?
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wienerboy-925 — 11 years ago(November 18, 2014 10:10 AM)
Hell, do you think it weird that I don't tell everyone that I'm a straight white-British woman?
And you think that's the same as being a "African-American Lesbian"? No one yells it from the rooftop but still people have fought to have pride for those titles. Being a "straight white-British woman" isn't something you felt oppressed against. As I said before no one here in the states that I know who's African-American or gay has the same mindset that she has. Dunno what's it like across the pond but ain't that way here for sure. Which makes what Raven-Symone said so puzzling. Is she even a "thing" in the UK? Just don't think Downton Abbey is being followed by That's So Raven, or having a spot of Earl Grey tea while watching it either! -
fraggle40 — 11 years ago(December 21, 2014 12:28 PM)
But that still doesn't explain why she should have to shout about who she is. No-one should have to just to please others, whether they're British or American. I do understand what you're saying, just feel sad that in these day and ages that minority groups are still treated so badly by others. And yes, That's so Raven has been on here, but usually on Children's channels, so certainly wouldn't be following Downton Abbey! And Earl Grey? Nah, I prefer proper builders tea!
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wienerboy-925 — 11 years ago(December 22, 2014 10:13 PM)
Well, maybe she does! Interesting you say that cause not that long ago I was watching something and builders tea was mentioned(think it was from As Time Goes By). Now I had never heard of it and thought its an interesting name for a tea. So what kind of tea is that? What does it taste like?
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fraggle40 — 11 years ago(December 24, 2014 03:57 AM)
As Time Goes By is Brilliant, not long showing the re-runs in the UK. I remember when it was first shown, back in the 80's.It's usually strong tea with plenty of sugar in, though I take mine without the sugar. My husband has proper builders tea
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wienerboy-925 — 10 years ago(May 18, 2015 07:37 AM)
All comes down to she's ashamed of being homosexual. Than why come out at all? DUH!
Yes that is a good point. She seems confused about who she is. Bi-polar more than bisexual seems to describe her more accuratly!