Stop with the Camilla-bashing already!
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Camilla Parker-Bowles
Titanica19127136 — 18 years ago(August 28, 2007 11:56 PM)
Seriously people, none of you from what I can tell knows the woman personally, so all this bashing of her and Prince Charles and saying you hate her really should cease. You can't really hate someone unless you know them personally and have some sort of personal issues with them. So Camilla's not perfect. So she had an affair with Prince Charles during his marriage, and hers. You all act like you're perfect, like you'veb68 never done anything that's considered wrong or questionable by society. She's human! And, news flash, so was Diana. Yes, Diana did wonderful things for the world, and she will always be held in high regard for those things, but she was also just a human being, and she was far from perfect too, just like every other human being that has ever walked the face of this earth.
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tellytubbymama — 18 years ago(August 30, 2007 01:56 AM)
Well said! It is scary the intensity of some people's hate on here. She is just a normal woman like everyone else and has made Charles very happy. Good for them - I think they've suffered enough for their affair now and most of the British public have accepted them as a married couple now and moved on from the 90's media frenzi over their relationship. Move with the times people!
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ilovetrees2005 — 18 years ago(August 30, 2007 03:20 PM)
Spare me.
Did you know Charles was doing Camilla the night before he married Diana?? What a swell guy!
Charles is/was ball less. He should have insisted on marrying Camilla instead of cattering to Mama Elizabeth.
He is pretty spinless. Diana was 19 and barely knew any better. By end of the first year she probably knew the HUGE mistake she had maden but by then baby William was on the way. -
Titanica19127136 — 18 years ago(August 30, 2007 06:38 PM)
I agree that he should have married who he really wanted to be with all along, but he made a choice, and ultimately, he chose to marry Diana, the one who was considered "acceptable" for the purposes of creating heirs to the throne. I don't necessarily think the man is spineless just because he chose the throne, and what he thought was best for the royal family (his family) at the time. Everyone makes choices in their lives that they later realize were ultimately not the best decisions for them, and just because he's of royal blood and in line for the throne does not make Prince Charles any less of a human being and prone to the wrong choices than the rest of us.
As for your first statement about Charles sleeb68ping with Camilla on the night before his wedding to Diana, my question for you is: Why do you really care? What business is it of yours, or anyone else's really, what this man does in his personal life? It's truly absurd to me how this extremely personal information got out to the public in the first place, and it's even more absurd to me why people eat this information up like it actually means something to them personally, and isn't just tabloid filth that should stop being printed and distributed in the first place. -
MJC4861 — 15 years ago(August 31, 2010 06:41 AM)
You Charles haters will believe anything. In many of the books written about Saint Diana (who had affairs with two married men by the way), including the two bestsellers by Sarah Bradford and Sally Bedell Smith, Charles went home to Buckingham Palace on the eve of his wedding and Andrew Parker-Bowles went home with Camilla to their country estate at Bolehyde manor.
The real scandal at the time (which was well hidden to protect Diana's pristine reputation) was that she and the Prince were sleeping together at BP during the engagement. On the Tuesday night before the wedding, Diana slept at the Queen Mother's quarters at Clarence House at St. James Palace, from which Queen Alexandra's State Coach would take her to St. Paul's Cathedral. Imagine the uproar in the media if it was discovered that Diana had spent all those previous nights at Buckingham Palace instead of at Clarence House. The press didn't probe too carefully into this because they were oblivious to anything else but the carefully honed Diana the Virgin myth that they had cashed in on.
Yet the one reporter who claimed to know everything, Mr. James Whitaker (who knew Diana better than most, and was really in love with her) finally decided to "reveal" this lie he created that Charles (for whom he had complete contempt) and Camilla had slept together on the wedding eve in his book Charles and Diana: Royal Blood Feud in 1993. This was a year after Andrew Morton's Diana: Her True Story was published, which didn't mention this at all. If it was true, why didn't Diana reveal it herself to Andrew Morton? The reason Whitaker got away with this and the Prince could not sue him was because Whitaker quoted the conveniently dead Stephen Barry (Charles's valet who died of AIDS in 1987, and whom Diana sacked in 1982) as his solitary source.
This was further confirmed by Tina Brown (who wrote that the Princess of Wales was a pathological liar) in the bestseller The Diana Chronicles. Since her death thirteen years ago today, a lot of people have revised their opinions about both the Princess and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, including Diana's very close friend Sir Charles English, the editor of the Daily Mail, who in 1999 challenged the popular wisdom of hating so dignified a woman, who has never said a word in public about the whole messy affair. Talk about a turnabout.
And the myth of the Princess as Queen of Hearts is rapidly eroding. A recent Good Housekeeping poll placed Diana eighth on the list of the most influential women of our time behind Oprah Winfrey #1, Hillary Clinton #2, and Michelle Obama #6, none of whom have been as influential as the late Princess, who should have been ranked number two. I can understand why Mother Teresa was number three, but it boggles the mind that Eleanor Roosevelt was number five (she should have been number one) and Amelia Earhart was number seven. It just goes to show you that people will believe anything negative even if these so-called revelations are not actually true. Both Charles and Diana (and yes, even Camilla) deserve the benefit of our doubts.
To quote Lady Diana Spencer (as she was then) when talking to James Whitaker in 1980: "The trouble is people believe what they read." How sadly prophetic she turned out to be. -
nitedrive73 — 17 years ago(June 07, 2008 09:04 AM)
Im all for peoples right to have flaws and not being perfect,but theres more than regular "flaws" involved here.Camilla was obviously having an affair with Charles before and and bt the time he married Diana and they snuck behind her back for years.She probably suspected it but women in the upper-class environment are taught to accept that their husbands are having affairs and doing lots of other women.
Anyone whos cheating and sneaking behind other peoples backs with it should be ashamed.If you dont love someone,dont marry him/her.If youre unhappy in a marriage,get a divorce.
Its all better than being a rotten cheater.
But I suppose its the stupid traditions of the upper-classes that should be blamed.The fact that aristocratic men are allowed to cheat and their wives are supposed to be fine with it. -
mhansen2 — 17 years ago(August 12, 2008 11:26 AM)
REF: But I suppose its the stupid traditions of the upper-classes that should be blamed.The fact that aristocratic men are allowed to cheat and their wives are supposed to be fine with it.
ANS: I think it important people remember this tradition among the royal men. They could do anything they wanted and their wives had to shut up and smile. Diana refused to do that. She was "mad as hell and she wasn't going to take it anym1c84ore." -
BlueGreen — 17 years ago(August 31, 2008 12:22 PM)
Nitedrive, since you are so familiar with Charles and Diana's private life, including the details on when he cheated on her, why don't you mention Diana's extramarital activities, to balance the account?
After all, Charles "only" cheated on her with one woman, and one woman only - the woman he loved, the woman he still loves today.
Diana, on the other hand, had affairs with at least FIVE men during their marriage.
Why don't you call her a "rotten cheater"?
BTW, I am not writing this in the spirit of hostility towards you.
I would just like to see fair consideration of all the factors involved. -
mhansen2 — 17 years ago(August 31, 2008 08:44 PM)
REF: After all, Charles "only" cheated on her with one woman, and one woman only
ANS: "Only one" makes it alright? If Diana had cheated with "only one" man, would you say it was alright?
REF: the woman he loved, the woman he still loves today.
ANS: If he loved Camilla, perhaps that's why Prince Charles lied about his wedding vows to Diana.
"Charles Philip Arthur George. Wilt thou have this woman to thy wedded wife, to live together after Gods ordinance in the holiest state of matrimony? Wilt thou love her, comfort her, honor and keep her, in sickness and in health, and FORSAKING ALL OTHER KEEP THEE ONLY UNTO HER, so long as ye both shall live?"
"I will."
REF: Diana, on the other hand, had affairs with at least FIVE men during their marriage.
ANS: In my reading, the number is more like nine male friends. Some of the relationships were physical, some were not, but if Prince Charles had honored his wedding vows, would Diana have been with any of them? Diana didn't want lovers, she wanted a faithful husband. Was that asking too much?
I asked you this question some time ago and never got an answer, so I'll ask it again.
Which is worse, a wife taking a lover or a husband putting his wife in a position where she has to take a lover? -
cajayson8301 — 16 years ago(November 01, 2009 05:09 PM)
Great post and I agree. Diana may have slept with someone outside her marriage to Charles but it was well after the fact that he screwed the horse face Camilla. Odds are it is as you say and they were just close male friends of hers. Even if she did commit adultery, he set the chain of events in motion that led to the unhappy union amongst them. Why anyone would go from class and elegance to a horse faced, vindictive, shrew baffles me. This is the guy next in line to the throne?! Scary!
Diana was the best person to happen to the royal family and suffered as a result of millions wanting more from her. Nevertheless, she still went out and advocated for the causes she believed in as well as remain a loving mother to her two boys. My belief is, had it not been for her children, she would have ditched the other horse face, as in her "husband", years ago.
I also find it sad that it took her death for the Queen to finally acknowledge what an influence she had on the British communityeverywhere you went in Britain, they loved Diana but Queen Lizzy bashed her relentlessly and showed people what a spiteful woman she truly was (and still is. Does that twit ever SMILE?!).
I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look. -
CharlizeQ — 15 years ago(January 18, 2011 06:19 PM)
Please I'll hate and bash Camilla all I want. She deserves all the bashing she gets plus some. To think that anyone would respect this woman as their queen is mind boggling after all the vile
documented
BS shes done.
-Charlize