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sonyayarl — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 03:46 AM)
merlinlove i understand what your saying. I'm sure Proof's not the only person who's shot someone in a bar while they were that drunk. I'm sure if he was alive he would regret. He was drunk, way past drunk. Trying to have a good time and got caught up in the moment. If he had lived, most likely he would have been charged with one count of carring a weapon, one count of involuntary manslaughter and one count of being over the alcohol limit. and yes i heard about the drunk guy who accidentley shot himself in the mouth. I wonder if they tested Bender also. But to be quite honest, i'm really getting tired of hearing proof and bender's name everywhere i go. it's really starting to get annoying. Like Biggie said "You're Nobody Til Somebody Kills You
here's a chart of blood alchol levels i got off the internet
0.02 0.03 BAC: No loss of coordination, slight euphoria and loss of shyness. Depressant effects are not apparent. Mildly relaxed and maybe a little lightheaded.
0.04 0.06 BAC: Feeling of well-being, relaxation, lower inhibitions, sensation of warmth. Euphoria. Some minor impairment of reasoning and memory, lowering of caution. Your behavior may become exaggerated and emotions intensified (Good emotions are better, bad emotions are worse)
0.07 0.09 BAC: Slight impairment of balance, speech, vision, reaction time, and hearing. Euphoria. Judgment and self-control are reduced, and caution, reason and memory are impaired (in some* states .08 is legally impaired and it is illegal to drive at this level). You will probably believe that you are functioning better than you really are. ( * As of July, 2004 ALL states had passed .08 BAC Per Se Laws. The final one took effect in August of 2005.)
0.10 0.125 BAC: Significant impairment of motor coordination and loss of good judgment. Speech may be slurred; balance, vision, reaction time and hearing will be impaired. Euphoria. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle at this level of intoxication in all states.
0.13 0.15 BAC: Gross motor impairment and lack of physical control. Blurred vision and major loss of balance. Euphoria is reduced and dysphoria* is beginning to appear. Judgment and perception are severely impaired.
( * Dysphoria: An emotional state of anxiety, depression, or unease.)
0.16 0.19 BAC: Dysphoria predominates, nausea may appear. The drinker has the appearance of a "sloppy drunk."
0.20 BAC: Feeling dazed/confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand/walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people have nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened.
0.25 BAC: All mental, physical and sensory functions are severely impaired. Increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falls or other accidents.
0.30 BAC: STUPOR. You have little comprehension of where you are. You may pass out suddenly and be difficult to awaken.
0.35 BAC: Coma is possible. This is the level of surgical anesthesia.
0.40 BAC and up: Onset of coma, and possible dea16d0th due to respiratory arrest. -
shelleybelly_1989 — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 09:11 AM)
so proof was around this stage:
"0.30 BAC: STUPOR. You have little comprehension of where you are. You may pass out suddenly and be difficult to awaken.
0.35 BAC: Coma is possible. This is the level of surgical anesthesia. "
according to that he should have been asleep! so how could he have known what he was doing?
and about the whole god thing, yeah, it says thou shalt not kill, but god gave us the freedom of choice. its our choice that we dont do these things. and he forgives our sins. -
cameronanvil — 19 years ago(May 05, 2006 03:53 PM)
"0.35 BAC: Coma is possible. This is the level of surgical anesthesia."
i have been in this state but its not good was just chukin wasnt good learend me lesson though what is the drinking age over in the states is it 21 or 18? -
Rattlehead16 — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 10:42 AM)
It's "thou shall not kill"not
"thou shall not kill"..unless you are drunk!!!!
Haha i almost pissed myself laffing when i read that.
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Rattlehead16 — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 11:36 AM)
I dunno why people are saying that his shooter should spend life in prison, or his shooter should be killed. What would you do if someone, regardless of famousness or prestige, show YUR cousin in the head.
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liberiagemini — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 01:16 PM)
because what Mario did was pure murder. This fool is claiming self defense but it was'nt. if you shoot someone 4 times who was'nt attacking or harming you in anyway, then how could it be self defense? and if he did it to protect others like his lawyer claims, then why did'nt he just shoot proof once? why 4 times? that's what makes it look so bad. He shot proof because proof shot his cousin. that's not self defense. that's revenge
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pr-master-23 — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 03:26 PM)
i just hate ignorant people
if someone shoot your cousin and is going to
shoot him againg (like i read) are you going to
shoot him just 1 time to stop him? you dont
even know if your cousin is alive, it obvious if someone
kill your cousin you will want him dead also we have to face reality
i know it more like revenge but he also
protected his cousin so is not murder
proof was one of my fav rappers and i will remember him
but face reality the killer in this movie was proof
but atleat now we know he was drunk very drunk. -
Rattlehead16 — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 04:26 PM)
I didn;t defend Marios actions but even if he only shot Proof once and kib68lled him people would still say that his killer should rot in hell. Maybe Mario felt his life was in danger. All im saying is that he is not innocent.
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liberiagemini — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 06:13 PM)
shoot him againg (like i read) are you going to
shoot him just 1 time to stop him? you dont
even know if your cousin is alive, it obvious if someone
kill your cousin you will want him dead also we have to face reality>
"LIKE YOU READ?" it amazes me how a person can read something and automatically believe it without doing further research. How do you know he was gonna shoot again? for you2000r information, bullet casings were found outside of the club, meaning that proof was shot OUTSIDE not INSIDE the club. meaning he shot keith only once in the club and as he walked outside to leave, that's when mario came after him. which explains why he was shot in the back and the back of the head. So who's the ignorant one?
and how was he protecting his cousin? if anything, his big ass should have tried to break up the fight. was'nt he a bouncer? where was he or anyone when all this was going on?
and if mario shot proof only once then people would believe the whole self defense crap. people who shoot in self defense don't usually pull the trigger multiple times.
and if proof still died after one shot, YES people will still be upset, but at the same time mario's story would have more credit.
and about the whole cousin question, NO I will not kill someone for killing my cousin. To be quite honest I will be too scared to pull the trigger because of the religious person I am. and plus, It's not worth all the mess mario is going through. Being all over the news, getting death threats, not being able to leave the house without high security, and having reporters all up in his face. How embarrassing is that? I would'nt risk being put away for a long time. -
nichea_86 — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 06:38 PM)
That's the same thing i was thinking. Imagine how both families would feel if they read this board. Why don't we just pay our respects to both parties and admit everyone involved was wrong? This way we can all get on with our lives instead of going back and forth.
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m_vion18-1 — 19 years ago(May 06, 2006 10:47 AM)
if mario shot proof to calm him down, then shooting him once would have been enough. After 2 shots the victim goes down. (Take it from someone who watched their boyfriend get murdered). shooting a person 3 or 4 times is murder. HE WANTED HIM DEAD. Mario never said proof was attacking him. This was not self defense. Any moron can see that
I have an even better idea: why not just shoot Proof's gun? That way you can disarm him w/o even hurting him! In fact, Mario should've shot Proof's gun before Proof shot his cousin this way he could've saved both men! (sarcasm intended)
When you are in a crowded club, and a drunk guy has already shot your cousin, you'll probably be PANICKING to take him down with ANY way possible. He doesn't have time to think: "if I shoot Proof in the leg and the arm, it'll knock him down but not kill him. But I can only shoot 2 times or else he'll bleed to death. Or, I could shoot him in the thigh once..wait, maybe twice. Nevermind, I'll shoot him once in the leg, then go up to him to see if he's really down; if not, then I'll shoot him again in the arm, then check again to see if he's really down." A drunk guy with a gun will probably shoot anything (since he's drunk, obviously). Yet you are suggesting to shoot him aimed so precisely that he is down, unconscious, can't shoot no more, but still isn't dead? Meanwhile any second now the drunk Proof might fire his second shot, and you are still there taking your time thinking.
Another thing: under such panic, Mario probably didn't have any time to just shoot Proof once, and see if he's really down. What if the first shot missed and Proof turned around to shoot Mario? Oh right, Mario should've known that Proof was drunk and calculated that there was no way Proof would be able to turn around fast enough and aim to shoot him. Wowbig expectations. Again, he was probably PANICKING and jus5b4t shot a few times hoping that Proof would be down. -
sonyayarl — 19 years ago(May 06, 2006 10:24 PM)
I understand what your saying. but the thing is, proof was'nt shot inside the club. When the police taped the scene, they marked blood drops and bullet casings in a parking lot across the street. Meaning that 2 shootings occured. one INSIDE the club and one OUTSIDE the club. This proves that mario came after proof as he was leaving, which is why he was shot in the back and the back of the head.