Sorry I'm late, nasty tiffy with the interwebs.
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Loony_Bin_Jim — 12 years ago(July 27, 2013 06:28 PM)
Clarkson doesn't write her own music. She changes one line and claims co-writing credits. So your lyrical writing and composition argument is a fail.
John Lennon was only dissatisfied much later in5b4to the bands career. Not to mention the brainwashing he received from the artsy fartsy Yoko Ono.
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Price_RZ — 12 years ago(July 27, 2013 09:26 PM)
Jim
, you are right in everything you said about Clarkson, Lennon, the Beatles, and McCartney. Nice to see someone so frank about Yoko too.
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SCP_One_Seven_Three — 12 years ago(July 28, 2013 07:44 PM)
Actually, Clarkson does write her own music, whether you like to believe it or not. Look it up. Research. Blind hatred is not a credible source. On the off chance when musicians need help or whatever, they do collaborate. Do you actually find it strange musicians collaborate with other artists and songwriters? Please tell me you're not that naive. Its part of the business.
Double fail whammy!
And also, it wasn't yoko. He was just a mindless conformist. The avant-garde artsy thing was apparently big at the time. It wasn't his first time doing that either. Not that I'm saying he wasn't a good musician, just severely overrated.
One more thingYou dare bitch about musical integrity and artistry? This guy was a heroin addict, pathological liar, abusive towards his wives and child and you're here on the Clarkson board bitching how much of a b111ceep she is as a person and musician?
Someone get me a platter, loony whatsisface just got served. Actually get me two, but make the second a low calorie diet of hatred for his shadow friend. -
SCP_One_Seven_Three — 12 years ago(July 28, 2013 08:07 PM)
Actually, Clarkson does write her own music, whether you like to believe it or not. Look it up. Research. Blind hatred is not a credible source. On the off chance when musicians need help or whatever, they do collaborate. Do you actually find it strange musicians collaborate with other artists and songwriters? Please tell me you're not that naive. Its part of the business.
Double fail whammy!
And also, it wasn't yoko. He was just a mindless conformist. The avant-garde artsy thing was apparently big at the time. It wasn't his first time doing that either. Not that I'm saying he wasn't a good musician, just severely overrated.
One more thingYou dare bitch about musical integrity and artistry? This guy was a heroin addict, pathological liar, abusive towards his wives and child and you're here on the Clarkson board bitching how much of a c___ she is as a person and musician?
Someone get me a platter, loony whatsisface just got served. Actually get me two, but make the second a low calorie diet of hatred for his shadow friend. -
sfmar — 12 years ago(August 05, 2013 04:28 PM)
Wow, the above posting supporting SCP was only created earlier today and has already been reported and deleted.
I wonder if it was the work of someone who hasn't posted in two days but was active on this site a mere four hours ago.
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SCP_One_Seven_Three — 12 years ago(August 05, 2013 06:21 PM)
I guess some people just can't tolerate opposing viewpoints.
I know right? You can't expect some people to act like adults, sad. I can understand if you dislike something, as well as having a different opinion and that's finebut it's such b.s. to make Clarkson as the worst thing in the world just because you have some convoluted agenda against her.
and reporting posters, really? Is this 2005 all over again?
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skizzie72-1 — 12 years ago(August 06, 2013 08:11 PM)
really? she "represents everything wrong with music" ? cmon..justin beiber and whoever else with a criminal record that isn an artist takes that crown
IM RUNNIN THIS MONKEY FARM NOW FRANKENSTEIN! AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE F#@$ UR DOIN WITH MY TIME! -
art-snob — 12 years ago(December 15, 2013 07:17 AM)
I'm glad to see this topic caught on and created a debate. Anyway, yes, I really do believe that she represents everything wrong in music because she paved the way as the poster child of AI for other pop singers to find an easy route into the music industry through a public singing competition. Again, all of her songs have the same formulaic, over-produced sound which is why, to me, they lack originality and character. I'm not bashing pop music in general, just her songs which more or less sound the same, similarly to Swift, Perry, Bieber, Gomez, etc. I think even Britney Spears, who came on the scene a few years before AI, had at least a modicum of originality and creativity in her songs. It just seems to me that KC set in motion a synthetic formula for pop music that has taken on new dimensions. Also, let me be clear, I am not saying that Clarkson is talentless! She just hasn't used her talent for anything that sounds original and creative. To me, it seems to be the reason that most pop music today sounds exactly the same. It didn't used to be that way.
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sfmar — 12 years ago(December 15, 2013 07:41 AM)
I'm not bashing pop music in general, just her songs which more or less sound the same, similarly to Swift, Perry, Bieber, Gomez, etc.
A fair enough observation and certainly a valid one - but then why harp on Clarkson alone about it? I don't see your observations on the boards of the other artists you mentioned.
I am not saying that Clarkson is talentless! She just hasn't used her talent for anything that sounds original and creative.
Sadly, most "music" today is rigidly controlled by the money-men at the top who don't give a damn about creativity or quality - their Holy Grail is nothing other than the profits they can generate. Clarkson herself battled against Clive Davis when creating the "My December" album because she wanted more control - in that event I believe she behaved like a true artist. Again, your observation is a valid one, but again, why single out Clarkson alone as a target for your complaints?
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art-snob — 12 years ago(December 21, 2013 10:16 AM)
I've singled out KC because it seems to me that she set a new standard for synthetic, over-produced pop music that many others have followed since, whether they hit fame through AI or not. I'm not sure how else to explain it, but every song I hear from KC sounds like a formula that has been created by the industry execs to generate the greatest mass market appeal possible. The problem also isn't just with KC and the execs and producers that control her, it is also the dumbed down pop music mass audience today that thinks this is what real music is. It's similar to the audiences that see the same formulaic, clichd comedies that come out year after year.
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sfmar — 12 years ago(December 22, 2013 12:43 AM)
Fair enough - I see your point and I respect your opinion although I do disagree with you, at least in part.
The entertainment industry (music, TV, film) has indeed been on a downward slide for quite some time now and originality has all but disappeared.
In terms of music, I think this trend began far earlier than you believe. While it was a unique and fresh medium at the time, MTV, in my opinion, started out well, but gradually the flashy videos and sexuality of the performers became more important than the music itself. Needless to say the quality of the material suffered as the buying public became more infatuated with what a hunk or a fox the performer was instead of how talented they were (or weren't).
In that regard I don't see American Idol (and Clarkson) creating this trend. To me it's just the opposite - the trend was already well established and American Idol was created in response to it.
Your other observations are right on the mark. Artists today have less and less control over how their material is presented and produced by the industry. But on the other hand even the Beatles were at times frustrated when studio engineers remixed their music. True, this trend is far more evident today, but it was always there.
Clarkson has a good voice and genuine talent. Could she use it better? Perhaps. But while she may be caught up in music's current lack of creativity she certainly didn't initiate or establish it. -