How come it seems…
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marvin_el_martian — 9 years ago(August 02, 2016 06:38 PM)
Nope, actual Gov't job. Just accepting public funds =/= Gov't reprisals if your boss fires you.
When it comes to firing, I'm iffy on it. I'll agree that just saying "I don't agree with same sex marriage" shouldn't be a firing offense, but if the person is being aggressive and hateful about it, yea I wouldn't be torn up if they were fired(on the same token, aggressive and hateful defenders of gay marriage should be treated the same too). But when it comes to "public shaming", if your espousing bigoted and hateful beliefs(no matter what side of the issue you're on), you deserve to be "shamed" for it. If you can dish it out, then you most certainly can take it. -
dperth-33500 — 9 years ago(August 02, 2016 09:05 PM)
I'm not a lawyer but the way I see it, ones religious and political beliefs is not an acceptable reason to fire them, pretty much across the board.
When I said public shaming I was talking to the level of harassment and doxing which happens a lot more than it should. Some Swedish newspaper did something like this once where they outed the identities of anonymous users of a message board in order to publicly shame them for the political opinions. It's a horrendous thing to do. -
marvin_el_martian — 9 years ago(August 03, 2016 06:17 AM)
I'm not a lawyer but the way I see it, ones religious and political beliefs is not an acceptable reason to fire them, pretty much across the board.
I agree that simply stating one's views and/or beliefs shouldn't be a firing offense. BUT if they are getting aggressive and hateful about it, and it is affecting their work, their coworkers' work, and/or the company and they don't do anything to curb themselves after being asked/warned, they should be fired.
When I said public shaming I was talking to the level of harassment and doxing which happens a lot more than it should.
If it is going as far as harassment and doxing, than it is no longer shaming. And the people that resort to that should be punished too. -
jimmer69 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 06:09 AM)
Most jobs, especially government jobs, follow EEO laws. When a person's bigotry or whatever other things they think is protected by the first amendment causes a hostile work environment for others, they can get canned. Again, the First Amendment is about being safe from
prosecution
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dperth-33500 — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 12:41 PM)
It's like saying "I don't believe in mixing races" to someone who is possible in an interracial relationship, some conversations should just be avoided in the workplace. I'm not quite sure why bigotry should be tolerated in the workplace in this day and age though.
It's not like that at all. -
dperth-33500 — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 08:46 PM)
I'm not defending homophobia. I'm simply criticizing the practice of firing people because of their political beliefs and speech. I don't see why that's so tough to understand. Just like I don't think someone should be fired because they're gay.
Being intolerant of others sexuality isn't an attractive quality but one of the things that makes America great and that we pride ourselves on is that people have the right to speak their mind without being censured for it. Or at least that's how it should be. -
jimmer69 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 06:14 AM)
Firing someone isn't throwing them in jail. You may not think it's right for someone to get fired for being openly homophobic, or just being a bigot in general, but other workers have a right to a hostile free environment too. So if a person is spouting off his bigotry at the work place they can, and should, get fired. No law against that.
Now, throwing them in jail for their bigotry, that's different. People are allowed to be as bigoted and hateful as they want to be, just keep it out of the workplace and keep it in your homes and churches where it belongs. -
marvin_el_martian — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 08:58 AM)
What I've always wondered, why does traditional marriage need to be protected? Is it being outlawed? Is it being taken away from us? What exactly is a "traditional marriage"? Is it just a marriage between a man and woman? Is it a church marriage? Is it a marriage where the family is adhering strictly to the teachings of their faith? Are all of those being taken away now?
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dperth-33500 — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 12:43 PM)
What I've always wondered, why does traditional marriage need to be protected? Is it being outlawed? Is it being taken away from us? What exactly is a "traditional marriage"? Is it just a marriage between a man and woman? Is it a church marriage? Is it a marriage where the family is adhering strictly to the teachings of their faith? Are all of those being taken away now?
You're preaching to the choir, but Christians define traditional marriage as a marriage between one man and one woman. This is based on something Jesus said in relation to divorce where he talked about a marriage as a divine union between a man and his wife. -
jimmer69 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 06:03 AM)
Freedom of Speech is about not getting prosecuted by the
government
. You can get fired, you can be criticized, you can be censored, etc. It just protects the citizens for being put in jail by the government.
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of
any law
respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. -
m_wonderful — 9 years ago(July 26, 2016 06:18 AM)
Don't forget the environment.
It's just low hanging fruit for them.
It goes along with the pride of thinking you are some great "artiste." You care way more than us regular Walmart shopping masses.
It's understandable. When you have E!TV, People, and all the Hollywood media telling you how your every move and thought is so awesome, it's easy to see why.
What is the worst is people listening to them.