"Ille qui nos omnes servabit"
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alkamal_r — 14 years ago(December 02, 2011 08:35 PM)
Do you mean the accent? Because I'd agree, I don't understand why they couldn't have a character of Indian origin who was brought up in the US, and therefore
doesn't
have an annoying Indian accent. In fact, I'd wager that most American-educated graduates are born and brought up there and have a normal American accent.
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Tru-Dru — 14 years ago(January 10, 2012 11:40 AM)
I agree with part of your comment, but please DON'T DISRESPECT THE LANGUAGE, AND CULTURE FOR THAT MATTERTHE INDIAN ACCENT, AND CULTURE ARE A BEAUTIFUL THINGtheir Music, their Food, and all are something that I cannot live without, and JAH (GOD) Obviously. Indian have influenced many of Jamaicans, Trinidadians, and many other West Indian/Caribbean lands..The Indian Language is nowhere as annoying than the French Language that everyone in America hypes up as something being greater than it could ever be..I mean who the Hell eats fried Snails? I LOVE MY INDIAN PEOPLE THEIR CULTURE, THEIR LANGUAGE, THEIR FOOD, AND ESPECIALLY THEIR WOMEN SEE ARABIAN, ETHOPIAN, AND SOMALIAN WOMEN FOR EXAMPLE THEY ARE PART INDIAN IN THEIR CULTURE, AND EVERYONE ELSE'S CULTURE AND LANGUAGEEVEN FRENCH, BUT FIND IT TO BE TOO DAMN OVERRATED! AMERICAN ACCENT is the modernation, and messed up version of the British Language that came into Europe out of Alkebulan (Africa's original name before the Romans renamed it as Africa).
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lkamal_r — 14 years ago(January 10, 2012 09:31 PM)I'm not disrespecting the Indian culture, food, music, women, or anything for that matter. My family originate from near there so that wouldn't make sense. It's the Indian accent of the English language which I find annoying, it's just a personal opinion. Just like if there was a recurring character with a Mexican/Spanish background, it would have been patronising if they had a typical accent to signify this to the audience. The thing is, there was no need for the accent. She (Aarti Mann) was brought up in Pittsburgh and so I'm guessing has an American accent. It would have been refreshing to see a well-educated character (Cambridge graduate, no less) of Indian origin on an American sitcom with a normal American accent, just like all the other characters. It's not as if all people of Indian origin have an accent.
By the way, just thought I'd point out the irony in your misguided castigating of my post, which was commenting on the accent and not the language or culture; while you then in the same breath lay into the French language and French cuisine (which does not solely consist of fried snails by the way, you might want to open your eyes). Maybe it is you who should not be "dissing" other cultures?
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Tru-Dru — 14 years ago(January 17, 2012 02:45 PM)
Why shouldn't I? The French enslaved and killed many of my people just like the British, Spanish, the Dutch (Nazis) and the Portugese.I blame the British for the Indian English Accent though I kinda like it. Why? Because the British once ruled India with an Iron Fist.
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alkamal_r — 14 years ago(January 18, 2012 04:04 PM)
Why shouldn't you diss other cultures? I'll tell you why. Because please DON'T DISRESPECT THE LANGUAGE, AND CULTURE FOR THAT MATTERTHE FRENCH ACCENT, AND CULTURE ARE A BEAUTIFUL THINGtheir Music, their Food, and all are something that I cannot live without, and JAH (GOD) obviously. The French have influenced many other lands.. I LOVE MY FRENCH PEOPLE THEIR CULTURE, THEIR LANGUAGE, THEIR FOOD, AND ESPECIALLY THEIR WOMEN.
By the way, the French (and the British, Spanish, the Dutch, Portuguese) who enslaved and killed many of "your people" are all probably now dead. The people from these countries that you see and meet now have nothing to do with it, and furthermore, most likely despise those actions. Why this has anything to do with disliking a whole country's culture I have no idea. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder which is affecting the way you view other countries and cultures. I still do not see the logic behind liking the Indian English accent because the British once ruled India with an iron fist..? Do you like the way it's being messed up, as some form of revenge or something? Your initial post seems rather ironic now.
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san-derr — 13 years ago(September 03, 2012 07:08 AM)
"Why shouldn't I? The French enslaved and killed many of my people just like the British, Spanish, the Dutch (Nazis) and the Portugese"
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jejozi — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 06:32 PM)
So you're saying the Brits FORCED that accent on you? It didn't come naturally from Indians speaking a foreign language? OoooooooKaaaaaaaayyyy
And it's been over 60 years, give it up.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(August 02, 2012 06:40 PM)
OK, I didn't know her character was educated in India up to the age of 18, but regardless of that, I was trying to point out that they could have written her character however they wanted. As she graduated from Cambridge, it was entirely feasible that she could have had her education in a High School in England or America, or possibly an International school in India (I have a few friends like that who do not have an Indian accent).
I know Aarti is the actress and not the character, I was merely outlining that it's not as if they had to give an Indian accent out of necessity of the actress having an Indian accent.
An American accent is what's considered normal IN THE US as it's a US sitcom based in America (just as an Indian accent is normal in India, British in UK, Caribbean in the Caribbean Island1c84s, etc.). I'm by no means saying the American accent is normal everywhere.
And finally, I said "people of Indian origin", not "FROM INDIA". As an example, I'm of South Asian origin but I have a British English accent.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 09:59 PM)
Err no, I'm not from Asia so they'd be mistaken, I'm from the UK. I was born and brought up over here and I've only ever spent like 3 weeks out of 28 years on the subcontinent. Of course they can tell I'm of Asian origin as I'm brown, although I have been mistaken for European before (go figure), so even that's not entirely true.
Indian origin means that your parentage or ethnic origin (i.e. parents/blood/ethnicity) is Indian, whereas "from India" means you were born there and came over to another country to visit, learn, work, settle, etc. If someone was born in the US, and is a US citizen, then I wouldn't think they would identify themselves as "from India" but rather of Indian origin (or Indian-American). For example, is Lucy Liu an American (of Asian origin) or is she "from China"?
That's how I see it anyway, seems to make sense but I would be happy to see another point of view backed up with some sort of reasoning.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(September 19, 2012 05:22 PM)
Well OK, I can see why it makes sense for them to have the same accent although they did study at different universities, one going abroad, so it's not entirely unreasonable for them to have gone to different high schools too (maybe one got in to a better one? Anyway I'm clutching at straws here I admit).
However I'm intrigued as to this notion that an ethnic origin and from a particular country is the same thing. Would you say Lucy Liu is of Chinese o111crigin or from China? Can they be interchangeably used here, or does it only work with India? What if several generations of your family were born and brought up in America? Say for example, Robert de Niro?
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nrangerseven — 12 years ago(July 14, 2013 08:54 AM)
You don't understand the incredibly simple concept that the family comes from India and none of the characters were raised in the US so they're not going to have American accents (why aren't you freaking out about the accents of the parents too?) and yet you want to argue semantics? lol Yeah, it only works for India to say someone has Indian origin and is from India hahahahahahahaha
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alkamal_r — 12 years ago(July 14, 2013 05:52 PM)
Yes I do understand that concept, what you seem to have missed in the several posts I have written is that the writers could have written her anyhow they wanted. Some well-off Indian parents (which they must be if she went to Cambridge) send their kids to International schools (in India) where most of them acquire American/English accents depending on the teachers. I understand this is not the norm but I was just mentioning that it would have been refreshing to see an actor/actress of Indian origin speaking with a non-Indian accent, as a strong Indian accent is a bit grating, to my ears anyway, and to the OP too, to whom I was responding. And there was already a character like that anyway so to me it seemed a bit overkill.
Also, for goodness' sake, I
didn't
say it only works for India to say someone having a particular origin and being from that country is the same thing! facepalm So I don't know where you got that from, I think you need to improve your comprehension skills (and you're laughing at me?). I actually disagree with that notion anyway, but was
asking that
as otherwise one would say Lucy Liu is from China. Would you say that? Apparently yes as you answered so sarcastically? And what about people who have lived in the US for a few generations? My other example was Robert de Niro, although I know now he has mixed parentage so that was a bad example. However that throws up even more questions, where would you say he is from, as he has mixed European ancestry?
For clarity, the relevant comment thread went like this:
Me: It's not as if all people of Indian origin have an accent.
Ice-Wine: ALL people of Indian origin FROM INDIA have an INDIAN accent! Fact!
Me: I said "people of Indian origin", not "FROM INDIA".
jejozi: "people of Indian origin" and "FROM INDIA" are the same thing.
Ice-Wine: Alkamal, Indian Origin and FROM INDIA are interchangeably used!
Me: I'm intrigued as to this notion that an ethnic origin and from a particular country is the same thing. Would you say Lucy Liu is of Chinese origin or from China?
^I'd
really, really
love an answer to this, everyone seems to be avoiding that question. Or a better example, is Mindy from The Mindy Project from India? If not then why not, if they mean the same thing? And if yes, then I really don't think she'd agree with you and might even find it a bit annoying.
We call this the Loom of Fate.