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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(November 20, 2020 11:50 AM)
The Third Man!
It's a brilliant classic.
I had my photo taken in that same doorway in Vienna when I was there in 2013.
MAGA! FAFO!
Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. Dumbocraps: evil people who celebrate murder. 
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MortSahlFan — 5 years ago(November 20, 2020 07:25 PM)
Very cool!
I almost visited Vienna (and a bunch of cities in between when I thought of taking a train from Budapest to Cologne) but my buddy had time off from teaching, so I took a flight.
Is this doorway a tourist attraction? Is the cafe still on operation?
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(November 20, 2020 08:32 PM)
I'm not sure about the cafe, because I did not seek it out. The doorway, fortunately, is not really much of a tourist attraction. There was one other person there, and she took my photo. It remains pretty much exactly like it was in the film.
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MortSahlFan — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 01:29 PM)
I think I gave it a 7/10
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 05:09 PM)
Here's the Wiki on the "The Fountainhead" book itself. Sorry to go off topic. But I've never seen the movie or even read the book. I feel propelled to read it now and I wonder if the movie stays true to the original. But the comment about Rand endorsing rape caught my eye.
The Fountainhead is a 1943 novel by Russian-American author Ayn Rand, her first major literary success. The novel's protagonist, Howard Roark, is an individualistic young architect who designs modernist buildings and refuses to compromise with an architectural establishment unwilling to accept innovation. Roark embodies what Rand believed to be the ideal man, and his struggle reflects Rand's belief that individualism is superior to collectivism.
Roark is opposed by what he calls "second-handers", who value conformity over independence and integrity. These include Roark's former classmate, Peter Keating, who succeeds by following popular styles but turns to Roark for help with design problems. Ellsworth Toohey, a socialist architecture critic who uses his influence to promote his political and social agenda, tries to destroy Roark's career. Tabloid newspaper publisher Gail Wynand seeks to shape popular opinion; he befriends Roark, then betrays him when public opinion turns in a direction he cannot control. The novel's most controversial character is Roark's lover, Dominique Francon. She believes that non-conformity has no chance of winning, so she alternates between helping Roark and working to undermine him.
Feminist critics have condemned Roark and Dominique's first sexual encounter, accusing Rand of endorsing rape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountainhead
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MortSahlFan — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 06:53 PM)
I don't remember rape… but it seems like EVERYTHING is offensive.
People will do ANYTHING to get some attention.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 09:10 PM)
I'm imagining it was just a scene where the man forcefully takes the woman without her consent but afterwards he has won her over and she loves him and wants him. But technically feminists would call that rape. It's all very doctrinaire.
But I suspect in 1949 they left the "rape" out of the movie.
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MortSahlFan — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 10:32 PM)
Exactly. I'm sure it had a dissolve. I never read the book, but did see the movie about 15 years ago. It seemed to have mixed up non-conformity with libertarian principles.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(November 22, 2020 03:03 AM)
I would suspect that Hollywood got it wrong. Ayn Rand is hardcore right wing. I don't think in 1949 they knew who they were dealing with. They may have thought it was about nonconformity and not vigilantism. Rand basically supports vigilante action against the state.
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MortSahlFan — 5 years ago(November 22, 2020 11:31 AM)
I think they got it wrong on purpose. Maybe it was done that way to make it palatable to the average viewer?
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ZolotoyRetriever — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 07:32 PM)
The Fountainhead
https://www.filmboards.com/board/10041386/
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(November 21, 2020 09:07 PM)
Here's the problem with his and Rand's philosophy though. Sure, the individual must battle the forces of conformity and the herd mentality to create something new and superior. But he also benefits from living in that society as well. If not, why does he not become a hermit and live on a mountain top? Oh but no, he doesn't want to do that.
The creative individual needs society to return the proceeds from his invention to him. He doesn't just create and disappear. He wants to reap the rewards. And he can only do that in an orderly society.
Ayn Rand saw the world as black and white. It's not. There is the right and the will of the individual. But there is also the collective society from which that individual benefits.
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MortSahlFan — 5 years ago(December 03, 2020 11:21 PM)
"Home of the Brave" is probably the best movie I've seen that deals with race.
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