OT: IMDB "HOUSECLEANING"
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Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 07:48 PM)
Wishing death is much worse, of course, but insulting Vanessa Redgrave repeatedly and calling her "Nazi", as "Henrey"/"Henery" did is pretty serious too, like calling me "anti-Semitic as* simply because I complained. One of the problems this guy has is that he seems unable to control his tongue.
He just stalked me and came to a thread just to disparage me.
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000010/nest/265540782?d=265628731#265628731
. I could never even think of stalking "Henrey" or anyone else, look at his profile, choose one of his posts on Film General or wherever and go there just to disrupt, attack and insult. Out of respect for that board, the OP and the other posters of the thread. Also out of respect for myself.
To call Vanessa Redgrave a Nazi, someone who "saw" Nazi bombs falling over her home in Greenwich, London, when she was a kid, and who later became a left wing militant for all her life, is not only insulting, but stupid, false and inaccurate. Simply because she is anti-Zionistic and criticised some of the State of Israel's policies. But hundreds of thousands of Jews (including some very good friends of mine in London and New York) ARE anti-Zionists and critical of some of Israel's policies, so what? And to confuse anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is sheer ignorance or bad faith. -
amyghost — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 04:43 AM)
A remark an old family friend made more than once was:
'always beware the Gentile who likes to use the phrase anti-Semitic a lot. It almost always means they've got something to hide.'
For some reason I get a distinct feeling this could apply to 'Henrey' pretty aptly.
50 Is The New Cutoff Age. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 10:59 AM)
Yes, I agree with both paragraphs.
"Henrey" is a teen or someone with the mental age of a teen. He just wrote
Get a hobby, get a life and if you can't, take your medicines.
I have come across hundreds of teens on Internet fora and message boards writing EXACTLY that, those very words, it's almost a cut-and-paste job. A stereotyped phrase, a cheap cliché.
It's not only that, he keeps giving himself away and he is so naïve or so idiotic that he doesn't seem to realise it. For more details, see my last reply on the THE NAKED JUNGLE thread, which he invaded after stalking me without the slightest respect for the thread, the OP, the subject and the posters who were there.
I wonder: why doesn't he go to The Watercooler? There he could play with MEQ and other people -
snsurone — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:34 AM)
No, I think Henery is a pro-israel Jew (as am I), and, sadly, that makes him a Trump supporter.
He (like some friends of mine) believe that Trump would be more of an ally to Israel than Obama was.
But, so far, Trump has said nothing regarding Israel and Netenyahu' policies there.
Granted, a number of Jews like amysghost have ambiguous feelings here.
Besides, I am an American, and I fear Trump's policies would undermineif not actually destroythe progress made in the US over the last hundred years or so.
And as for Vanessa Redgrave, you seem to be of the opinion that I'm about to pop across the Pond and murder her!
What BS!!
Let's just say that I will NOT grieve when she finally leaves this mortal coil.
Oh, BTW, this June marks the 50th anniversary of the Six-Day War and the reunification of Jerusalem. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 01:48 PM)
No, I think Henery is a pro-israel Jew (as am I),
So what? For starters, that's your opinion (or you have private information we don't know?), and then aren't there immature teens who are "pro-israel Jews", or are the members of the 'Chosen People' exempt? And I don't tolerate a bloody stupid teenJewish or Gentile, I couldn't care lessto call me "anti-Semite as*hole" or whatever he wrote.
Granted, a number of Jews like amysghost have ambiguous feelings here.
Why "ambiguous"? She's a very coherent person and has explained her opinions here several times.
The majority of my Jewish friends, especially in London and NYC do not believe in Jewish messianism and don't like Zionism and some of Israel's policies, but they are "100% Jewish", like you, and celebrate Jewish holidays and traditions and are proud of their culture and their ancestors. Some of them even learned Hebrew.
And as for Vanessa Redgrave, you seem to be of the opinion that I'm about to pop across the Pond and murder her!
"You" in plural or "you" referring to ME? If you are addressing ME, you are WRONG, I never said such a thing and I don't think that. An apparent reductio ad absurdum can be very misleading if it's used wrongly. But rejoicing in the possible news of the death of a famous actress is pretty nasty, don't you think? Unbecoming of a "little old lady" like you ("Henrey"'s words referring to you shortly before his "nature" led him to "sting" you as well, as if he were the scorpion and you were the frog in Aesop's fable).
http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&TheScorpionandtheFrog
Let's just say that I will NOT grieve when she finally leaves this mortal coil.
Fine, that's your right. If you had said just that and you had not thanked "Henrey" for having called Redgrave Nazi (VANESSA-REDGRAVE-IS-NOT- A-NAZI) there wouldn't have been any problem and now we would be discussing Ben-Hur as friendly as we were (I seldom have been nicer and kinder to/with anyone as I was with you) before all this took place.
Can you possibly write without BSs and three- and four-word words? It's just a matter of courtesy, you know, especially after the coarse language you used against me very recently. Other people would NEVER have replied to you until you apologised for that.
Oh, BTW, this June marks the 50th anniversary of the Six-Day War and the reunification of Jerusalem.
I know, I know, I studied History and besides I always commemorate historical events. It's a very interesting war and I understand that Israelis (including, of course, Yitzhak Rabin before he was assassinated
by a right wing Israeli fanartic
are/were proud of it. I have read three books about it, including A.J. Barker's and Shabtai Teveth's 'The Tanks of Tammuz' (this was his first book). Plus articles in History magazines, Internet stuff and the like. Did you read something about it? And by the way, in that war I was pro-Israel, of course. I didn't want Nasser to destroy Israel with those rockets with terrible names and I didn't want the others to "throw the Jews into the Sea"
As for Yerushalayim/Jerusalem/al-Quds (please note the order), in my humble opinion it should be an international city ruled by religious and academic authorities (plus a special police, medical services, etc), not civil or military ones, and it shouldn't be part of any country. -
HenreyTheKing — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 12:09 AM)
Not surprisingly derWreck's "final solution" regarding Jerusalem is not dissimilar to that of one Adolf Hitler. It took the courage and foresight of one Winston Churchill, and the blood, sweat and tears of many a young British soldiers to pre-empt that cleansing of Jerusalem, and now these left wing ideologues are going to "finally get it done"? I don't think so. Jerusalem will remain in Jewish hands, under ONE God.
But for me seeing through his folly he acts like a vampire exposed to the light. Another meltdown coming in 3, 2, 1 ?
PS. I'm tired of "policing" the board (not my future profession once I seize to be a teenager) so I'll let this go on here, but if the baiting and proselytizing on "satan's synagogue" spills on innocent movie discussion, I may be back, with a hot new REPORT button at hand. -
amyghost — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 04:20 AM)
You may not be the only one running with a REPORT button, 'Henrey'. IMDb has had complaints about rogue admins before, perhaps you're one of them, as you seem to be awfully confident in your powers to have accounts flagged and deleted via your 'policing' (a telling choice of word, that).
You may have 'seized' to be a teenager chronologically speaking, but that adenoidal-sounding post makes it appear that in your heart and your forebrain you will be one now and always.
50 Is The New Cutoff Age. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 06:03 AM)
Amy, this teen's account should be disabled again and I might even write a lettera letter, not an e-mail to the IMDb HQ at Seattle enclosing some of his posts and explaining them what is taking place here. He is more than a troll or a baiter, he is psychologically deranged, insane, and that's potentially dangerous.
A teen or an "adult" with the mind of a teen, what's the difference? (with all my respect to normal teenagers, against whom I have nothing, on the contrary).
I have seen this before: he baits me and tries to provoke me into overreacting, and then he would play the victim's role and cry "anti-Semitism! anti-Semitism!!"
He is a coward, he has showed this several times, including this one, not even sending his utterly insulting post to me.
And he bluffs.
PS. IMDb belongs to Amazon, and I created my account via Amazon, so they know very well my name, my address and what kind of person, poster and customer I am (almost twelve years spending LOTS of money in Amazon without the slightest problem with my credit card or anything else). -
snsurone — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 06:31 AM)
Aloysius, I would like nothing better than to be friends again and discuss MOVIES on a rational basis.
But, even before last year's election, there were any number of OT political threads, and I'm afraid that the temptation to reply is just too damned strong to resist.
If there was only some way that IMDb can block them from even being posted.
But if that happened, there would be cries of "censorship" and "freedom of speech".
And as for Redgrave, well, I'm sorry, but she just pushes my buttons!
In the future, I'll say nothing about her, OK?
I can't speak for Henery, though. -
HenreyTheKing — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 06:45 AM)
I don't think there's anything derWreck could say on any given subject that would interest me. Remember I ignored him for a couple of weeks but he just kept calling me out? My negotiation position remains the same: if he keeps baiting and baiting and baiting, I will probably give him another mental ass kicking (is he a masochist?) If he stops calling me out, I will definitely ignore him. As simple as that.
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Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 02:14 PM)
As simple as this: besides being an immature teen, a troll, a baiter, a stalker and a coward you are a LIAR.
And again: you don't have a single friend here. No wonder.
You started two threads a few days ago and you got 1 (one) and four replies, respectively.
I started two threads as well and I received 78 and 195 replies. I wonder why
I couldn't care less about your little person, but whenever I want to quote one of the insulting stupidities you post, or comment on it, I will do it.
You STALKED me and tried to sabotage one the threads where I was posting; I NEVER stalked you and tried to sabotage one of yours. And this is not an opinion, they are objective facts.
PS. Much, much stronger people than you threatened me and tried to bully me, on Internet fora or message boards and in real life, and they ALWAYS failed. I told you boy, you don't have enough force for that, so stop making a fool of yourself. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 10:37 AM)
Snsurone, likewise.
I rarely post on OT "political threads" and call-out threads. This is the Classic Film Board and I have been a film buff since I was a kid, a long time ago, and I am especially interested in classic films, that's why I come here. To learn, to teach whatever I can and to have a good time with my fellow posters, some of whom I really like.
I am not a 'Redgravist', I just like her as an actress and respect her (besides, she was born in Greenwich, 0º00'00", the Prime Meridian, and for me that's meaningful for several reasons, including professional ones), but I like other actresses as well. It's just that you and that crazy teen went too far and I reacted. And your reactions to my reaction went too far as well. But look, I am not a self-righteous Savonarola and I don't want to become one, so
In the future, I'll say nothing about her, OK?
Say whatever you like. Besides, I keep trying to learn from Rick Blaine in Casablanca and would like to say
I stick my neck out for nobody
, instead of being a stupid romantic or Don Quixote.
I really hope that you are wrong and "Henery" is not a Jew, because my opinion of Jews is pretty good (thanks mainly to some people I mettwo of them among my best friendsplus Hannah Arendt, Aaron Copland, Gustav Mahler, Woody Allen, Bernard Herrmann, Billy Wilder, Jerome Moross, and a very, very, very long list), and he is one of the most miserable and pathetic persons I have ever seen on a message board, and I have seen a few. But it's his lack of
empathy
, something so precious, and so important for me, that I find particularly despicable.
By the way, read this post:
: HAPPY 100th BIRTHDAY, KIRK DOUGLAS
image for user Aloysius_von_der_Trenck
by Aloysius_von_der_Trenck
» Fri Dec 9 2016 02:46:21 Flag | Edit | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2010
Post Edited: Fri Dec 9 2016 03:17:47
Today, December 9, 2016, he turns 100, though in his autobiography,
The Ragman's Son
he explains why they always celebrated it on the 14th.
His parents, Herschel (later Harry) and Bryna (later Bertha, though he recovered her old first name for his production company) Danielovitch would have been so happy had they known that their beloved son Issur (later Izzy, later Kirk) would become so famous, would have a famous son and would eventually become a centenarian!!
And since he is an Amsterdamer, a native, I propose a toast:
http://www.taleofale.com/2010/04/dont-bother-with-amsterdam.html
Issur Danielovitch Demsky: mazel tov! hurrah!
hurrah!!
HURRAH!!!
(Navigator and Explorator:
Ulisse (1954), The Vikings (1958), 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
, &c.)
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000010/nest/263763119?p=3&d=263995969#263995969
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A typical comment of a Nazi or an anti-Semite, ain't it? -
snsurone — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 12:15 PM)
Y'know what's funny?
Kirk Douglas was never one of my favorite actors.
IMO, he tended to grit his teeth too much and chew up the scenery.
But he is a good person, and I'm happy for his 100th birthday.
That's the polar opposite of how I feel about Redgrave.
She may be a fine actress (taste is subjective), but I don't find her a good person at all.
And as I said earlier, she just pushes my buttons, with the result that I speak my opinion sometimes without tact.
But I suppose that's part of being human.
I believe that humanity trumps talent. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 01:38 PM)
No, not really, I take for granted that you don't like or dislike actors and other people simply because they are Jews or Gentiles. Neither do I.
I am not a Kirk Douglas "fan" (in fact I am not anyone's "fan", I just have favourites, that's all).
As an actor, I like him very much. He has
pathos
, but he is not sympathetic. Many of his characters are unhappy, frustrated or antipathetic.
This film is particularly intereresting:
The Juggler (1953)
A German Jew, a traumatised survivor of the Holocaust, who emigrates to Israel. Filmed on location in Israel, that heroic Israel of 1953. If you haven't seen it, try to get it.
Another problem: he isor wasembittered because he felt he didn' t get what he deserved because he was a Jew. He was nominated for three Oscars but was awarded none (he was awarded other prizes though, and an honorary Oscar as late as 1996). One of them was
Lust for Life
, and in my opinion he deserved the Oscar for his brilliant, superb and intense (his pathos again) role as Vincent Van Gogh.
I speak my opinion sometimes without tact.
Well, so do I, but I try to have more tact, mostly out of respect and courtesy. But basically I am an ouspoken and straightforward person. In my real life as well, and that cost me jobs, money, friends and even relatives. -
snsurone — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 03:16 PM)
Did Kirk Douglas really believe that he was denied an Oscar because of his religion?
That's pretty hard to believe.
LUST FOR LIFE was one of the few Douglas movies I really liked.
He really looked like Vincent Van Gogh.
And Anthony Quinn deserved his Oscar for his portrayal of Paul Gaugin.
Let's not forget that Kirk did receive an honorary Oscar (I forget the year).
I remember seeing that event, with his sons giving him a standing ovation, tears streaming from Michael's eyes.
If nothing else, Kirk was a wonderful husband to Anne and an excellent father to his four boys, even if Eric died of a drug overdose.
But by then, Eric was an adult and responsible for his own actions. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 04:28 PM)
Did Kirk Douglas really believe that he was denied an Oscar because of his religion?
That's pretty hard to believe.
My words were:
Another problem: he isor wasembittered because he felt he didn' t get what he deserved because he was a Jew.
I didn't refer specifically to the Oscars. And "denied" is not the correct way of putting it, it was more subtle.
I think I read it in his first (autobiographical) book, 'The Ragman's Son' (1988) or maybe somewhere else. There could be some mention of this here:
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/arts_and_entertainment/popular_culture/An_Interview_with_Kirk_Douglas.shtml
But I am not going to read the whole long article right now just to look for it.
Anyway, it wouldn't be so surprising:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States
And bear in mind that we are talking about the 1940s and 1950s! There were even films about this, like Edward Dmytryk's
Crossfire
(1947), with Robert Ryan playing the role of an anti-Semite full of hate that kills a Jew.
I didn't forget his Honorary Award (technically not an Oscar) in 1996, I actually edited my post an hour later to include it, but I referred to the normal Oscars (1949, 1952 and 1956). The Honorary Award arrived forty years later, when he was 80 years old.
I too saw the ceremony live: very moving.Anyway, he wasn't a man who lacked honors and awards in his long life. Take a look:
Douglas has been honored by governments and organizations of various countries, including France, Italy, Portugal, Israel, and Germany.
In 1981, Douglas received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Jimmy Carter,
In 1984, he was inducted into the Western Performers Hall of Fame at the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
In 1990, he received the French Legion of Honor for distinguished services to France in arts and letters.
In 1991, he received the AFI Life Achievement Award.
In 1994, Douglas' accomplishments in the performing arts were celebrated in Washington, D.C., where he among the recipients of the annual Kennedy Center Honors.
In 1999, he received the Screen Actors Guild Lifetime Achievement Award.
In 2002, he received the National Medal of Arts award from President Bush.
Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame
In October 2004, Kirk Douglas Way, a thoroughfare in Palm Springs, California was unveiled by the city's International Film Society and Film Festival. For his contributions to the motion picture industry, Douglas has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame at 6263 Hollywood Blvd. He is one of the few personalities (along with James Stewart, Gregory Peck, and Gene Autry) whose star has been stolen and later replaced.
Signing his name at Grauman's Chinese Theatre on November 1, 1962
AFI Life Achievement Award
1991 Accepted AFI Life Achievement Award
Kennedy Center Honors
1994 Honoree
Academy Awards
1996 Honorary Award for 50 years as a creative and moral force in the motion picture community
1956 Lust for Life nominated for Best Actor
1952 Bad & the Beautiful nominated for Best Actor
1949 Champion nominated for Best Actor
Golden Globes
1986 Amos nominated for Best Actor in a Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for TV
1968 Cecil B. DeMille Award for Lifetime Achievement
1957 Lust for Life won for Best Actor-Drama
1952 Detective Story nominated for Best Actor-Drama
Emmy Awards
2002 Touched by an Angel nominated for Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series
1992 Tales from the Crypt nominated for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series
1986 Amos nominated for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Miniseries or Special
Screen Actors Guild Awards
1999 Lifetime Achievement Award
BAFTA Awards
1963 Lonely Are the Brave nominated for Best Foreign Actor
BAFTA/LA Britannia Awards
2009 Britannia Award for contributions to worldwide entertainment
Berlin International Film Festival
2001 Honorary Golden Bear
1975 Posse nominated for Competing Film
Cesar Awards
1980 Honorary Cesar
Hollywood Film Festival
1997 Lifetime Achievement Award
National Board of Review
1988 Career Achievement Award
New York Film Critics Circle Award
1956 Lust for Life won for Best Actor
1951 Detective Story nominated for Best Actor
In 1983, Douglas received the S. Roger Horchow Award for Greatest Public Service by a Private Citizen, an award given out annually by Jefferson Awards. In 1996, Douglas received an Honorary Academy Award for "50 years as a moral and creative force in the motion picture community." The award was presented by producer/director Steven Spielberg.
As a result of Douglas's stroke the previous summer, however, in which he lost most of his speaking ability, his close friends and family were concerned about whether he should try to speak, or what he should say. Both his son, Michael, and his long-time friend, Jack Valenti, urged him to only say "Thank you", and leave the stage. Douglas agreed. But when standing in front of the audience, he had second th -
HenreyTheKing — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 06:39 AM)
If it talks like a nazi, if it walks like a nazi, it must be derWreck. My account has never been closed by anyone but me. Before closing my previous account I sent a real time FG post explaining the situation. If anyone studies the continuation of these posts they will find the disturbingly fixated baiting orchestrated by you, during the days and weeks, and the short but effective rebuttals by me (in which I totally expose and rebuke your folly). You're actually lucky in having chosen me as your target, as I'm a forgiving soul with no malice in my heart. Someone else might, after being provoked so much, put you in lot of hot water, even in a legal sense. So go ahead and write that letter. I hope that phrasing it takes so much time that you will troll this site less.
Like I said, you should have just let it be. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 11:38 AM)
As for the beginning of your post: no comment. I won't fall into the trap you have set.
You're actually lucky in having chosen me as your target
Someone else might, after being provoked so much, put you in lot of hot water, even in a legal sense
as I'm a forgiving soul with no malice in my heart
(
)
Like I said, you should have just let it be.
"Henrey", boy, please understand this: you are NOT the Talented Mr. Ripley and you are NOT Don Vito Corleone.
You are just a delusional, pathetic teen or someone with the mental age of a some teens (not all, of course: there are fine teenagers).
"Legal sense"? Do you even realise what you are calling me and what you are saying about me here and there? Well, my lawyer happens to be my best friend as well and he has to go to L.A. sometimes. Seattle is not SO far. I can ask him if you want.
"Chosen"? "Target"?You have seen too many movies, Enriquito. So have I. And by the way, I repeat: last year I took a voluntary (voluntary, not like yours) sabbatical holiday of nine months: how could I possibly survive without you? Without "targets". Because if you are suggesting that I have a crush on you, I have to inform you that I amand have always beenheterosexual. Sorry. What about you?
Why do you choose ME as a target " Why not Amyghost, Jefferson Cody and the others? Some call you "Henrey", others "Henery" Why?
By the way, you don't have a single friend here, not one, unless they are invisible, of course. You tried to involve Byrdz and as far as I know he didn't even reply (if someone comes now and they registered very recently or have no posting history I'll have to think that they are socks).
An opinion: you smack of resentfulness. Social, racial, personal, professional, I don't know and I don't care.
And you ARE a stalker. This is not an opinion, it's a fact:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000010/nest/265540782?d=265644486#265644486
And finally, if you dislike me so much or are so afraid of me and my opinions, WHY don't you put me in your Ignore List? -
amyghost — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 02:43 PM)
Doesn't really matter. Once you start writing dreck like this on a public messaging forum:
My negotiation position remains the same: if he keeps baiting and baiting and baiting, I will probably give him another mental ass kicking (is he a masochist?) If he stops calling me out, I will definitely ignore him. As simple as that. (From a 'Henrey' post)
you've pretty much surrendered any and all claim to any credibility you might have ever had.
Whatever else he is he's a blowhard, and blowhards age quickly.
50 Is The New Cutoff Age. -
Aloysius_von_der_Trenck — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 04:42 PM)
Another characteristic of his peculiar idiosyncrasy: he is a copycat and uses the same words and arguments the other person uses against him:
if he keeps baiting and baiting and baiting,
For I have been calling him baiter (which he is) since this absurd "conversation" began.
Another one: he thinks he's much stronger than he actually is:
I will probably give him another mental ass kicking (is he a masochist?)
Which is another typical characteristic of immature teens.
Key word: delusional.