Tyler got killed off?
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awesomebamon — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 04:29 AM)
And you're deflect to me shipping her with a white man and Damon being white, when you keep spinning her being in pain and suffering at the hands of Enzo and making it okay by saying that he is a MOC, even though on the show he is still a white passing MOC.
I'm not the one writing long metas in this thread saying why it's alright for Bonnie to suffer any type of pain at the hands of Damon or excusing any writing that has put her in pain at the hands of Damon. You're the one doing that with Enzo and trying to deflect to me, claiming that I'm playing the race card, when you are using a white passing MOC, who JP didn't write his character as a MOC on the show and who can still get the benefits of a white man, more than brown/black POC get on the show. He as white passing gets a story, yet has JP actually written any story for brown/black MOC?
And if you believe Enzo to be written and represented as an actual MOC on the show, does that justify Bonnie going through pain for him? Whether or not you excuse it off as just an expression her wanting to die for Enzo is a messed up thing and a regression for her character, for someone who didn't value her life in the past, for someone who wasn't willing to fight for her life in the past, for someone who was always willing to self sacrifice her life, well being, and emotions to focus saving others. All spun as her being loving and loyal to the others, Elena/Jeremy. Just like you are excusing her way of thinking the same way with Enzo as her loving him and him being "the love of her life".
Let's excuse all toxic and unhealthy ways of low self worth on love. Because love makes it alright for a person to put their entire will to live into one person and happiness into one person to the point that they can't function or live without that person, as if they are addicted to a drug that they can't function without.
But, because it's Enzo you think it's worth it and have a bias towards him and as a fan of his. Accusing me of being bias towards Damon. You can spin Enzo as a MOC, but compared to Bonnie has he had to face racism in the fandom, has he been compared to a slave, has he been called racial slurs like Bonnie/Kat has in the fandom? I mean he is white passing enough, where even some Delena Stans who accuse us of the same thing that you're accusing us of, shipping or liking Damon because he is white, will say. "Enzo is white and Bonnie is with him, so JP is not racist." The same DE Stans who say that the "race card" is being played, while at the same time some of them have called Bonnie the N-word and compared her to a slave.
Are you a fan of Bonnie or Enzo? Keep spinning all of the pain that she is going through as him being "devoted" to her, therefore excusing any pain and suffering that she is going through. In the past, present, and future, because of him, in relation to him and at his hands, you'll come back to that devotion.
And mentioning me overlooking and ignoring Damon physically abusing Bonnie, when I have called it out and I'm not okay with it. But, I notice that you glossed over and ignored me pointing out Enzo choking Bonnie and physically abusing her.
Maybe him being a MOC "empowered" Bonnie when he clocked her hard over the head with the a weapon, so hard that it knocked her out and maybe she was "empowered" by his drugging of her system taking her magic away preventing Damon from healing her with his blood. , maybe "empowered" by him holding her hostage at the Armory and the fall out getting her hurt by Tyler. "Empowered" by him verbally insulting her, because he was jealous of what she had with Damon and was all about how a woman could give him the love and affection that he wanted, one that he was trying to get from Lily.
Any verbal and physical abuse/trashing that she might suffer for him at the hands of his no humanity. But he's "devoted" to her and loves her right?
Me playing the "race card" when you bring up Enzo being a MOC to suit your needs and justify pain and suffering that Bonnie is going through. None of the physical abuse that Enzo did towards Bonnie stops you from shipping Bonenzo, none of his verbal insults towards her, People can list reasons for why Bonenzo is problematic and they are just like Bamon,Bonkai,Klaroline, Delena and all of the other ships on TVD are.
Bonenzo is not a real life example of a perfect romance to get into. When you are talking about a man pistol whipping and drugging a woman, and a man who choked that woman just like other men on the show have. So I can accept that Bamon is problematic, but don't act like Bonenzo is healthy. That Enzo is the perfect real life guy that a woman is suppose to fall for. What Enzo has done and Bonenzo's set up would make them a poor real life relationship to follow, just like all of the other TVD ships
I can accept that Damon is a flawed character, but while you are stanning for Enzo, he has been abusive towards women, harmed women, killed in cold blood and done just as -
ursulazsenya — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:53 AM)
You don't think Enzo has suffered from the writing as much as Tyler? The stupid B and C plots that made no sense? The isolation from the core group? The OOC twists that turned him into a plot device? You can get up in arms over Tyler, but you can't extend the same 'wokeness' to Enzo? OK, then. See why it's impossible to take you seriously?
You keep ignoring my explanations and dismissing them as 'spinning' so I'm not going to bother. But you know what? If Bonnie has suffered in Enzo's hands then she has suffered in Damon's longer and harder. Damon has brutally murdered several POCs on this show including another white - passing character, Tyler.
Yet you can say "I can accept that Damon is a flawed character, but while you are stanning for Enzo, he has been abusive towards women, harmed women, killed in cold blood and done just as many flawed things as Damon has and has had some of his actions excused and glossed over and white washed by the writers , just like you choose to do in this thread. A MOC shouldn't get a free pass towards his violence, murders and abuse towards people/women anymore than a white man should. "
When that makes literally no sense other than to reveal your bias.
Can't you see that you're giving the White Man a pass, not the MoC? Are you self unaware that you can't even realize that you're giving the white rapist a pass yet hating on the MoC that has never forced himself on any woman on this show. Who turned down humanity off Caroline because it's not fun when a woman is not herself? The White man who brutally murdered a pregnant black woman and so many POCs on this show gets a pass not the MoC that was trying to save Sarah Salvatore and has never harmed any PoC on this show.
Seems to be you need to check your internal, self hating racism and and ask yourself why you're so desperate for your avatar on this show to be validated by a rapist white man but you're condemning the MoC twice as hard for doing half as much as your white fave. You might not be using racial slurs on Enzo but let me tell you something, it's implicit bias like yours that is far more insidious and dangerous than overt racism.
That's right. Giving a MoC twice the condemnation for half the crime a white man has. Congratulations on perpetuating racism. -
awesomebamon — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 07:05 AM)
Where have I excused Damon? Please show me where? I have called out Damon plenty of times on his wrong doings. I actually made this thread because of it being wrong for the show to have killed Tyler off. Weren't U the one coming in and trying to defend the show or JP, by saying that at first that Tyler wasn't really dead? WIlling to give JP the benefit of the doubt that she really didn't kill Tyler in the first place. You're the one who came into this this thread when I pointed out how wrong that it was to kill of Tyler and just say that I'm playing the race card and deflected the issue to me shipping Bamon and how this thread got derailed into us fighting about Damon/Bamon/Enzo/Bonenzo.
When I mentioned Lucy, Tyler or anyone, you're the one deflecting it all to my shipper bias. Defending her killing Lucy by saying that she did it off screen. Discrediting who I brought up, because you rather try to "win" by proving a point against Bamon/Damon fans.
Defending JP's writing by going to your Bonenzo/Enzo bias and talking about how Bonnie is being written well for. But, yeah no doubt that them having Damon kill Tyler is a part of the problematic writing that they have done for Damon. Defending JP's writing when it suits propping up Enzo and your ship, like you accuse Bamon fans of doing. Being okay with JP's writing for Bonenzo/Bonnie, when it comes to Enzo getting the benefit of her relationship.
Now if I were okay with Tyler dying just because Damon did it, I wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. I call out Damon for his wrong doings and I have called out Damon for being a rapist. You're the one who came at me, when I made this thread on Tyler. Because you want to silence me for being a Damon/Bamon fan. Now you want to say that I played the race card in making this thread, but at the same time now use Damon killing Tyler as a POC to suit you. Because of your bias against Bamon fans in the first place, you'd rather try to silence and derail my point over, agreeing with me that it was wrong for the show to kill Tyler, whether it be Damon or someone else who did it.
You choose to ignore that. But nope Enzo being a MOC, I will not excuse his abuse, murders and wrong doings. That is nonsense. Like people getting upset with black women, when black women don't excuse the rape accusations of Nate Parker and give him a free pass for it.
Never gave Damon a pass, no why don't you address Enzo being a man period and how he has not raped anyone, but has kidnapped Caroline, killed Ivy in cold blood, physically abused and verbally belittled Bonnie, because last time I checked a man, white, black or any other color abusing women and being violent towards women is wrong and shouldn't happen. -
ursulazsenya — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 09:19 AM)
You excuse Damon everytime you ship him with your fave or think Bonnie made the 'wrong' choice for not picking the man who had tried to kill her a few hours ago. Saying a few trite words does not nullify the fact that you've been actively rooting for this Rapist to have a happy ending with the woman he constantly treats like dirt.
Even in this thread, you phrase Tyler's death as the fault of the 'writers' not Damon. Funny logic. When Enzo does bad things, it's Enzo's fault. When Damon does, it's the writing. Even I fiction, white men get a pass.
You excuse Damon when you're going out of your way to pour vitriol on Enzo for doing far less than Damon ever did. Did you start a thread everytime Damon choked Bonnie in s6? But you "hear" that Enzo is saying mean things to Bonnie and you stage a riot.
You've also spouted a bunch of lies about me - at no point did I defend Lucy's death or Tyler's. I didn't realise he was killed off for real until last episode - just like everyone else. But by all means, keep spouting your internalized racism. Go and examine your self hate and ask yourself why White Male validation is so important to your self worth. -
ursulazsenya — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 09:20 AM)
You excuse Damon everytime you ship him with your fave or think Bonnie made the 'wrong' choice for not picking the man who had tried to kill her a few hours ago. Saying a few trite words does not nullify the fact that you've been actively rooting for this Rapist to have a happy ending with the woman he constantly treats like dirt.
Even in this thread, you phrase Tyler's death as the fault of the 'writers' not Damon. Funny logic. When Enzo does bad things, it's Enzo's fault. When Damon does, it's his fault.
You excuse Damon when you're going out of your way to pour vitriol on Enzo for doing far less than Damon ever did. Did you start a thread everytime Damon choked Bonnie in s6? But you "hear" that Enzo is saying mean things to Bonnie and you stage a riot.
You've also spouted a bunch of lies about me - at no point did I defend Lucy's death or Tyler's. I didn't realise he was killed off for real until last episode - just like everyone else. But by all means, keep spouting your internalized racism. Go and examine your self hate and ask yourself why White Male validation is so important to your self worth.