Why did the Mexican Goverment not Like It?
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whatsupomar — 14 years ago(January 13, 2012 05:23 AM)
You should see "Vera Cruz" because it is an excellent film not because of political content. However, if you must know, it does portray Maximilian's regime as abusive and corrupt while the "juaristas" are the freedom fighters. By the way, if you are truly Mexican you should know that in Mexico Benito Juarez is the acknowledged hero not Maximilian.
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LuisLEONFC — 14 years ago(January 14, 2012 07:45 PM)
He was aided by the Catholic church to get out of the misery. Made him a civilized person. Taught him to eat in the table, with spoons and forks. To dress in a proper manner. Jurez's payback was with ingratitude and treason to that church which had taken him out of the misery. Years later he became rich by selling church's properties. To this day,150 years later, his descendants still live happily because of the product of all that stealing. He came to power not much because of his capacities, but because of his appereance. Facing a crisis, they chose him because of his underdog image. His contemporaries define him as "a closed person" "of mediocre intelligence" and "not a very good speaker/orator". "He barely spoke or laugh". When he became the governor of Oaxaca he was a good parishioner, he urged his workers to pay tithe, confess , and commune to ask for divine help. This demonstrates his dual personality, his acommodative trailing character, always subordinate to the dominant forces of each moment. Contrary to what many think, Jurez didn't make the reform. He came to power after the Reform War, when everything had already been made by others. In reality, these laws were given to the then also Francmason Valentn Gmez Faras by the United States in 1835. Also, Jurez did not defeat the French either. They left because the United States(which supported Jurez)had already ended their civil war and could now confront the French army. This is the truth, Jurez's liberals never could defeat the French. The battle of fifth of may was just an inconsequential skirmish, the French remained invincible.
"Jurez the democrat" is another lie. In the presidential elections of 1871, Benito Jurez, Sebastin Lerdo De Tejada, and Porfirio Daz presented themselves as candidates, resulting in Jurez as being the apparent winner, although with evident electoral frauds. So he never was the constitutional president, nor was he chosen by the people. In response, Porfirio Daz raise up in arms with the Noria Plan to remove Jurez from power but he failed.
Jurez posed himself as president for 15 years without any respect of the existing laws. Because of this, Jurez was a dictator. Also, he killed many people. He got rid of his political enemies outside any constitutional order and murdered with impunity.
In 5 years, from 1867 to 1872, he shed more blood than the general Porfirio Daz in 30 years. To his enemies, his phrase "respect the rights of others is peace" was never true.
Jurez, the "example of his indigenous race".
Jurez never showed to be proud of his indigenous origin. On the contrary, apparently he seemed ashamed of it. He himself married a Creole woman. And he married all of his offspring with people of caucasian origin. In an effort to get farther and farther away from his indigenous origin.
He never did anything for the indigenous people.
Jurez, "the great patriot".
The above defines him as a not very trustworthy man, ungrateful, accommodative, racist, a thief, a murderer, with an inferiority complexBut this is nothing compared to his worst aspect..
A traitor to the fatherland.
Jurez was a Francmason, member of those American lodges, whose ultimate end was to take United States' hegemony over the world.
Ever since Jurez was the governor of Oaxaca he showed his submission or admiration for the americans. In 1847, while all of the country was fighting against them deffending the Mexican sovereignty, Jurez didn't do anything, he didn't say a word against the americans, he didn't send any soldiers to support the national defense against the worst invasion Mxico has ever suffered which ultimately cost it to lose half its territory.
All of the Mexican Francmasons, or Hispanoamericans, where puppets either consciously or unconsciously of the United States. From Hidalgo, Bolvar, or even the liberals or Jurez himself.
All of the Masons served the american objective. First, to destroy the enormous Spanish empire by independizing its colonies. Second, to increase the United States territory at the expense of Mxico, stealing as much territory as possible.
Jurez got tired of selling the territory to the United States with the pretext that they would recognize him as president.
He signed treaties with the United States so they could have access from the Mazatlan (steps?, only translation I could come up with) to Matamoros, Nogales to Guaymas, and all the Tehuantepec isthmus(from Tabasco to Chiapas) giving those roads to the sovereignty of the americans with permission to kill, arrest and possess lands, in the disastrous MAC LANE-OCAMPO TREATY.
If you still don't believe me, I'll show you a part of that shameful treaty, and you can verify it in any library or the internet.
Mac Lane-Ocampo treaty, an authentic jewel of the treason to the fatherland in all the history of any place.
"Treaty of transit and commerce between Mxico and the United States underwritten by Robert Mac Lane, minister of the United States in Mxico, and Melchor Ocampos, mi -
whatsupomar — 14 years ago(January 14, 2012 09:09 PM)
I have lived in Mexico and I live now in Los Angeles but I never heard any Mexican with your point of view. Benito Juarez is considered in Mexico one of the greatest heros of its independence as it is written in all Mexican history books. That said, you have the right to your own opinion. However, this blog has nothing to do with the subject of Juarez or if he was good or bad. Please take your outlandish opinions to some historical blog.
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LuisLEONFC — 14 years ago(January 14, 2012 09:55 PM)
You obviously didn't read the whole thing. Please inform yourself. More and more people with my point of view are coming out.100 years too late but the truth is coming out nonetheless.
Also, I was just explaining to you why Jurez is not a hero.
By the way, you are confusing yourself. Jurez has nothing to do with Mxico's independence(which is full of lies too, but I'm not getting into that right now. If you want to learn about it there are many books that do tell the true but I recommend you "Hidalgo e Iturbide, La Gloria y el olvido"), he was 15 when Mxico gained its independence.
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LuisLEONFC — 14 years ago(January 15, 2012 11:42 AM)
Meanwhile I remind you that I was just telling you why Jurez is not a hero. I should remind you also that you were the one who started talking about Jurez.
Also, it's not an excellent film if its based on lies.
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whatsupomar — 14 years ago(January 15, 2012 07:39 PM)
The only reason I mentioned "juaristas" is because you asked about the contents of the film. Since this is a blog for movie fans I could never imagine that you were after a political and/or historical argument. Frankly, I couldn't care less what YOU think about Juarez or anybody else. Obviously you have an ax to grind but picked the wrong place to do it.
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LuisLEONFC — 14 years ago(January 16, 2012 02:13 AM)
Ok, so we agree you don't know anything about Mxico?. Good!. You said that if I really was mexican then I should know Jurez is the acknowledged hero. After that I taught a bit of history lesson.
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Ok, so yeah, I won't be watching a film based on lies. That would be like me saying: "Man, you should watch this movie about Lincoln, in it, it depicts him as a horrible guy who in reality hated black people, its all lies but it's a good film!" -
whatsupomar — 14 years ago(January 16, 2012 05:35 AM)
I think we are wasting our time with this silly argument. Anybody who has lived in Mexico or has lived and worked among Mexicans knows that Juarez is considered a national hero who fought against the French emperor Maximilian. That's a historical fact. Everywhere in Mexico there are busts, statues and paintings of Juarez honoring him. They even named a city, Ciudad Juarez, after him. I've never seen a monument honoring Maximilian. You have a different view of history and you have every right to believe whatever you choose but don't come push it down our throats especially on a blog about cinema. THE END
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LuisLEONFC — 14 years ago(January 16, 2012 02:06 PM)
Sorry, but you are a moron. Take a time and read the last paragraph I wrote a while ago.
The people who really know about the history of Mxico know that Jurez was not a hero and they would be laughing at your face if you dared to say something as stupid as that.
By the way, I live in Ciudad Jurez, so stop trying to tell me about my own culture.
In these times, Mxico is in urgent need of truth. Living in deception has caused, in large part, many of the calamities we suffer. If we do not know the true history of Mexico, we can not know ourselves, nor explain much of what happens to us.
Jurez was the biggest traitor this nation has ever had. Even Juariztas acknowledge the McClane-Ocampo treaty.
Again, STOP TRYING TO TELL ME ABOUT MY OWN CULTURE. You don't know anything about it.
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normantater — 13 years ago(June 29, 2012 05:26 PM)
Pretty interesting Fernando. I am a Yank and don't know much about Mexico, sorry to say. I have read some on Cortez and the 1519 invasion but thats about it.It's too bad relations between us have always been so tense. Anyway, nevermind the other guy, it seems pertinent enough.
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LuisLEONFC — 13 years ago(July 14, 2012 12:07 AM)
Hello, Norman. Well, Spain and England are total opposites, and those opposites met in the Americas
I don't know much about U.S. history either, but what I do know is that the U.S. didn't kill its heroes, and Mxico did. Killing Agustn de Iturdibe and Maximilian I would be like the U.S. killing George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
The history of Mxico is a very sad one, but we should tell it like it is, tell the truth.
Anyway, have a nice day
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Helpfan65 — 11 years ago(November 10, 2014 07:41 PM)
Iturdibe was a hero? Hero of what? He supported Spain during Mexico's struggle for independence, and when it became obvious that Spain wasn't going to hold on to Mexico, like all opportunists, he changed sides. Because he was European and conservative, he was able to have himself declared President but he couldn't wait to declare himself "Emperor Agustin" What a hero.
Mexico is one jacked up country because of an elite who pride themselves on their Spanish purity and who make it their mission in life to make sure the indigenous population remain in poverty. Is it any wonder that people turn to crime to get ahead down there?
I'm Mexican and I'm for Juarez all the way. Maximilian was a Hapsburg interloper put in power by Napoleon III and the Mexican elite who saw their power and money threatened by Juarez and his attempt to rein in the power of the Catholic Church and the 1% population who controlled all of Mexico
And the US has killed plenty of their heroes, John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King for starters.
Viva Juarez, Viva Zapata!
Get me a bromide - and put some gin in it!
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kevinwales1955-939-85433 — 13 years ago(March 02, 2013 09:33 AM)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tacámbaro
The army was Belgian. Admittedly there was a French woman, so I guess it was easy to be confused.
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gottfrid — 13 years ago(April 02, 2013 01:18 PM)
Im still to see this very talked-about classic, but Im pretty sure all nationalities involved are portrayed under a bad light. With exception of one american, Mr. Gary "Always-shiny" Cooper.
"It doesn't matter what Bram Stoker has told you dead people don't come back from their graves"