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friendoffilm — 11 years ago(April 23, 2014 05:52 PM)
I'm not against the idea of a remake, but I'd want it to be done well.
I think it would be interesting to see the story updated to a contemporary setting.
Maybe Spielberg could enlist someone like Pitbull to write some rap songs for the Sharks (or add some rap to some of the already existing songs)?
Maybe the Mambo dance at the gym could get a dubstep remix?
Maybe the story could be a little more realistic in which Tony and Maria actually have more time to fall in love and bond, instead of them falling in love and have him die the next evening?
Excuse me, rorystevens, but this is the
second
time you've posted this
exact
post,
word for word
. What gives here? Just curious.
Having said the above, I stand by
exactly everything
I've said, regarding my positions
against
a re-make of the film
West Side Story
.
Also, roryit sounds as if you're trying to manipulate me into adjusting my opinions so that they tally up with yours, which I will
not
do. I'm also of the opinion that you have
no
business getting up into my face by pasting your
exact
same posting after all my replies to you. Why don't you try a different tactic? -
tiburonbirdred — 11 years ago(June 07, 2014 10:01 PM)
Revival of the stage workno problem. A movie, no way. I don't have a problem with all re-adaptions, for example, if notable points had to be downplayed due to morality clauses in old Hollywood ie "Peyton Place the book vs the movie. But there are somethings that the magic just can't be recreated.
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friendoffilm — 11 years ago(June 08, 2014 08:00 AM)
Hi, tiburonbirdred. Thank you for an excellent post! Your points are well taken, and this:
But there are somethings that the magic just can't be recreated.
really brings home the point regarding a re-make of the film version of
West Side Story
. This great classic film is in a special class all by itself, because the magic in this film just simply
cannot
be recreated.
Most re-makes of movies have proved to be disasters, and I firmly believe that a re-make of the film
West Side Story
(no matter if it were Spielberg or anybody else who did that.) would be an
un
mitigated disaster, in
many
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jschillig — 11 years ago(June 08, 2014 01:05 PM)
I wouldn't be against a new adaptation,
IF
they didn't try to make it ever-so-modern-and-hip. If it were me, I'd keep the setting in 1957 but give the gang members clothing that could look equally at home in 1957 or todayjeans and t-shirts in different shades of the same color for each gang, for example. I'd make sure that the gang members didn't look too cleaned-upthat they LOOKED like tough knocked-around street gangs.
I'd also remedy one of the most frequent criticisms of the movie version and cast a Tony who's believable as both tough ex-gang member AND lover. (One of the best, if not THE absolute best productions of WSS I've ever seenand that includes the tour of the revivalwas a small youth company's production that did just that with their Tony.) I mean, hell, even Richard Beymer himself expressed disbelief that "I was a kid from Iowa trying to pass myself off as an ex-gang leader."
The thing isI think that Spielberg could do it. He's shown a flair for time periods, whether it's the 1860s for Lincoln or the 1930s of the Indiana Jones flicksand later, in Crystal Skull, the same time period as WSS. (Say what you will about Crystal Skull, it did give an excellent sense of the late 50s time period.) -
friendoffilm — 11 years ago(June 08, 2014 06:32 PM)
I really don't know, jschillig. I still stand by my position that a re-make of the film version of
West Side Story
would be a disaster, regardless of who took on the job of re-making/directing
West Side Story
in the first place. It would just cut the heart and soul right out of this great film, and the magic in this film couldn't be re-created by anybody except the people who made this great musical/movie in the first place. I frankly don't think that, in today's world of expensive gadgets, computerized special affects, and overly graphic and explicitly sexual scenes and tons of "blue" language (I'm no stranger to "blue"language, btw), that a re-make of a movie that came out in the early 1960's would go over so well today, at all, because a re-make of
West Side Story
would be far too modern and too hip.
As for the casting of Richard Beymer, Richard Beymer had really wanted to play a Tony with more of an edge in West Side Story, but, due to certain directorial constraints put upon Beymer by (the late) Director Robert Wise, he was unable to. Beymer is said to have been so disappointed over the fact that he couldn't have played Tony with a little bit more of an "edge" to him that he walked out of the Premiere showing of the film
West Side Story
when it first came out.
Elvis Presley (remember him?), btw, was the first one that Robert Wise approached for the part of Tony in the film version of
West Side Story
, but was forced to turn down the part, due to an over-controlling manager. Elvis Presley regretted having turned down the opportunity to play the part of
West Side Story
's Tony after WSS became a hit as a film in the fall of 1961.
Elvis Presley did have the "tough but tender" look of an ex-gang member, as well as the personality for it, and he could sing, but I sincerely wonder how well Elvis's heavy Southern accent would've gone over in New York's Hollywoodl -
leader-7 — 11 years ago(July 26, 2014 05:52 AM)
The only point of a remake is to feed hollywood egos.
What really is going to be accomplished by a remake?
Who's going to choreograph it? Jerome Robbins' ballets in this were sheer dance perfection
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friendoffilm — 11 years ago(July 26, 2014 05:37 PM)
The only point of a remake is to feed hollywood egos.
What really is going to be accomplished by a remake?
Who's going to choreograph it? Jerome Robbins' ballets in this were sheer dance perfection
What a foolhardy idea.
Hi, leader-7! Good to see you posting here again! Your points are all excellent ones that're well taken.
Hollywood has long run out of creative ideas, which is why so many re-makes and/or sequels of films are being done, now.
Nothing
beats the original, imho. -
leader-7 — 11 years ago(July 26, 2014 05:51 PM)
Hi!
Right~! I mean WHAT IS THE POINT of a remake of perfection!? idiotic.
Then they'll rewrite the script, and change the players and really, WSS is all about what it WAS THEN, not what they want to make it, for now. it's not about "contemporary."
No one is rewriting the Canterbury Tales, or Huck Finn. For.a.reason! -
friendoffilm — 11 years ago(July 26, 2014 09:57 PM)
Again, you've made some great, good points that make great, good sense, leader-7.
West Side Story
is what it is, and a re-make of this great classic film would be a disaster, because it would just cut the heart and soul right out of it, if one gets the drift. -
friendoffilm — 11 years ago(July 27, 2014 08:30 AM)
Not withstanding the fact that
West Side Story
is in such a special class all by itself that a re-make of it by
anybody
would be an unmitigated disaster, Steve spielberg is really
not
the kind of guy that I'd like to see re-making
West Side Story,
because his expertise in musical theatre is absolutely zero.
You're right, leader-7.
Steve Spielberg has made some good movies, but I seriously doubt that
West Side Story
would be among them, in any case, if one gets the drift. -
Buddy-51 — 11 years ago(September 04, 2014 11:50 PM)
I'm not looking forward to a remake of this film, but, in Spielberg's defense, it should at least be pointed out that Robert Wise also had no experience directing musicals when he took on this assignment. In fact, Spielberg reminds me a bit of Wise in that he's not afraid to branch out into different genres (SF, horror, action, social drama, historical fiction) and he always seems to do a first-rate job in all of them.
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friendoffilm — 11 years ago(September 05, 2014 12:27 AM)
Regardless of the prevailing opinion(s) regarding a re-make of the film version of
West Side Story
, I still belleve that a re-make of this fabulous classic would be an absolute and utter disaster. Another aspect of
West Side Story
(the film) is its subtlety, which, in turn, gives it its versatility. That being said,
I
personally envision a re-make of this particular film as being much more blatant, hyped-up, junkier and cheesier and devoid of the subtleties that give that great classic film its strength and versatility in the first place.
What it all boils down to is this: Imho,
nobody
, regardless of who they are, their experience with film-making, and their willingness to branch out and take risks (and I include Steven Spielberg here.), can be trusted with the re-making of a film such as
West Side Story
, which is too special for a re-make. This great classic that won 10 Academy Awards, including Best Picture on the year that it first came out (late October of 1961, to be exact.) is what it is, and nothing beats the original. I think that Steve Spielberg should show his great affection for this classic by leaving well enough alone and gravitate towards something else. -
StrongRex — 11 years ago(August 19, 2014 11:52 AM)
It has its own IMDb page:
http://www.imdb.com/board/13581652/?ref_=rvi_tt -
movibuf1962 — 11 years ago(January 09, 2015 08:47 AM)
WHATEVER (WTF) FOR??
All this'll do on message boards is unleash a floodgate of nasty, curt, hateful commentary passing as "free speech," as haters so often want to say on such anonymous boards. If you say you want it, you're labeled ignorant, under the age of 12, or too politically correct (whatever that means, but that argument is always brought up when people ask for accurate ethnic casting in films). If you say you don't want it, you're labeled a prude, a dinosaur, rigid, and a pretensious bigot because you like things the way they are and don't want change.
I personally think the original film is glorious, and it remains one of my top 10 favorite films of all time to this day. I have absolutely no problem with it being remade (as I can opt not to see it if it is done), but I don't see it happening 'cause it's a musical, and musical film is one genre that's passed over more than not in Hollywood. If Spielberg is actually doing it, more power to him- even though he's never done a musical [but then neither did Robert Wise!!]. I'd just hope he does it with as much of the integrity of the original book as possible and not succumb to the habit most directors have with musicals: turning them into MTV videos with irony, anger, edginess, and a gazillion apologies why people are spontaneously singing in the first place. Musicals nowadays are not filmed for people who love them, they're filmed for people who hate them. They're done with modifications, so the cynical audiences of today will be satisfied. Too much of WSS would be changed, made angrier, more violent, and probably half of the songs would be removed (as they were in INTO THE WOODS), or replaced with spoken dialogue (as they were in DREAMGIRLS), or framed as fantasies in the head of a mentally unstable heroine (as they were in CHICAGO). And who needs that?!! -
friendoffilm — 11 years ago(January 09, 2015 11:42 AM)
I stand by every single thing that I've said regarding a re-make of the film
West Side Story
. Some films should just simply be left alone, and West Side Story being a very special classic that's in a class by itself, imho, is one of them.
Chances are better than not, I think, that, in the event that a re-make of the film
West Side Story
were to happen, by anybody, including Spielberg, that the following would occur:
A) The romance scenes between Tony and Maria, as well as the ones between Anita and Bernardo, would be much more explicit sexual and graphic.
B) Since the police throughout the United States have become much more militarized and are far more heavily armed, that, too, would reflect in West Side Story. The cops would be even more violent and trigger-happy, and more overtly prejudiced, against non-whites and poor whites alike.
C) The school yard/playground fights between the Jets and Sharks would be even more graphic and more violent, because the hatred would be even more intense.
D) More to the point, guns, rather than switchblade knives and/or fisticuffs, would be used during the rumble, the epitats and insults more graphic and profane, the rumble and the ensuing deaths of Riff, Bernardo and Tony would be far, far bloodier.
E) There would be no hint of reconcilation between the two sides, and the hatred would just persisst.
F) The musical score to
West Side Story
, instead of being beautiful and intense, would be turned into a hip-hop score, and the dancing into rap dancing, which would make a real piece of junk out of a beautiful classic, if one gets the drift.
G) The cast, especially the police, would be even harsher, and way, way overdone. -
StrongRex — 10 years ago(April 08, 2015 10:59 PM)
replaced with spoken dialogue (as they were in DREAMGIRLS)
I don't think that would happen in West Side Story, because they actually did a good job creating a balance between songs and dialogue. There's plenty of dialogue in WSS, why would they make any of the songs' lines spoken words? But I will say that a ton of musicals have way too much unneeded singing to begin with, and not enough dialogue. -
friendoffilm — 10 years ago(May 16, 2015 06:20 AM)
I don't think that would happen in West Side Story, because they actually did a good job creating a balance between songs and dialogue. There's plenty of dialogue in WSS, why would they make any of the songs' lines spoken words? But I will say that a ton of musicals have way too much unneeded singing to begin with, and not enough dialogue.
Again, I stand by my opinions on the idea of a re-make of the film
West Side Story
. -
Just1Hitch — 4 years ago(February 15, 2022 08:13 PM)
friendoffilm, Here we are 7 years later and the 2021 West Side Story is a reality and recipient of 7 Oscar noms including best picture and best director. Brings to mind the proverb, "When we speak of the future the gods laugh."
