Martin Remake
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rossrjensen — 16 years ago(November 13, 2009 09:01 AM)
Who else out there thinks that there could be a good remake of Martin?
Right now vampires are all the rage and this would be a good opportunity to bring interesting ideas to a new generation. Think of what could be done with a modest budget and a properly refined product. -
rossrjensen — 16 years ago(December 02, 2009 08:27 AM)
I don't think that remakes are all necessarily bad. The Fly is an example of a good remake. In fact, I would like to pose the question, why are some people sooo resistant to remakes??? Even if the remake doesn't turn out as well, you will still have the original version.
Martin seemed a little dated to me, but I think it has a spectacular premise and it would be a box office and critical success if it was done properly with a little love. I think having a decent budget probably wouldn't hurt either. -
cloyesds — 16 years ago(December 02, 2009 09:55 PM)
There are few good remakes. Aside from Nosferatu 79, The Thing 82, The Blob, The Fly and maybe Night of the living dead most remakes suck. With horror remakes you get 95% beep and a little bit of the good.
Especially now days it's all remakes. There is no reason for a Martin remake. If you remake every classic horror film then you have no original movies. Just make an original movie why is that so hard to comprehend?
If they remade Martin it would just be beep like When The Fog, A Stranger Calls, Black Christmas, Prom Night, The Wicker Man Halloween, Friday the 13th and all of the other remakes. The only good new remake was The Hills have Eyes. They even plan on insulting Hellraiser, The Burning, The Entity, Re-animator, A Nightmare on Elm street and many more by remaking them. The reason why people generally have an issue with remakes is because the way they remake them these days INSULTS the original and with so many remakes we don't have any original horror films to watch. -
rossrjensen — 16 years ago(December 04, 2009 08:18 AM)
I definitely agree that most remakes, especially horror remakes are pretty awful. However, from time to time there is a gem, like the ones you mentioned. That's exactly why I stipulated that it could turn out to be very good if it was done with a little "love".
I disagree that there is no originality if horror films are remade. For starters, the original vision still exists and just because something has attempted to recreate what it was, that does not mean it replaces it. For example, I still watch the original Halloween rather than the remake because it is a vastly superior movie. Also, it is certainly not a new concept that when you boil down a story to its essence, there only remains a handful of ideas that are explored repeatedly throughout time. Regardless of how much you or I agree with that theory, I think we can probably both admit that many, many movies that come out share very similar stories. Finally, originality continues to exist within the world of the remake as well. Creating a film is a collaboration of many different art forms: literary, visual, and auditory. The Fly, as an example, had a entirely different vision from the original despite the fact that it was based on the same concept, ultimately culminating as a love-story tragedy. The Departed and Vanilla Sky are two other more modern examples of film remakes that focused on completely different elements and had completely different overall feel than the originals they were based off. To me, all of the movies I listed are good and have interesting, albeit, different focuses.
I haven't seen many of those other remakes that you mentioned. I have seen Halloween (original), Re-Animator, Friday the 13th (orginal), The Wicker Man (original), and The Hills Have Eyes. As a general rule of thumb I try to stay away from bad movies as long as I know they are bad
Friday the 13th, in my opinion, wasn't even a good original, so it was doomed from the beginning.
I guess my point is that Martin has a completely intriguing premise, and I wanted to see it explored more after I finished the movie. I like Martin and I have no wish to see it's value diminished (which personally I don't think a remake would do anyway - if it turned out bad I would just avoid it), but I would really like to see how the subject would be approached a second time around. -
wvq2 — 16 years ago(February 10, 2010 05:36 AM)
I think a lot of the depth and richness of the original would almost certainly be lost. The social upheaval of urban America in the 70's (viz. secularization, deindustrialization, white flight) is a major theme in Martin, and the way Romero skillfully and (relatively) subtly works those issues into the movie gives it a lot of the resonance it has.
I'm not sure what would replace those social concerns in a possible remake. I suppose they could simply carry over the same thematic concerns, but I doubt it would work as well since the kind of working-class ethnic white people this movie is about have largely left America's urban areas now. -
patchofblue65 — 16 years ago(February 10, 2010 09:11 AM)
I always love it when people criticize movie by saying it's "dated". WTF when I watch a movie from the 1970's I don't expect the people to be using Cellphones or PC's. There are no ATM's but I expect to see alot of big American cars, sideburns and long hair.
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thecultofhorror — 16 years ago(February 20, 2010 01:00 PM)
The thought of remaking this is nauseating.
Sadly, I think there are people with money who want to produce the next horror remake looking in areas like message boards to see if there is a cult following on a specific film that would create enough interest for a semi successful remake.
If Martin was remade, it wouldn't transition well into a modern film because the location of Martin, the old towns, the old people were such a big backdrop and added personality to a film that could only be captured in a specific time and place in classic Americana.
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smashsmack — 16 years ago(March 14, 2010 06:33 PM)
A re-make doesn't seem to be that far of a stretch, especially considering the censors aren't as strict as they were when it was originally made. If anything Romero movies make the best remakes and if Romero were to get involved, I think we'd be able to see his full vision.
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smerd_70 — 16 years ago(April 03, 2010 07:37 AM)
"I always love it when people criticize movie by saying it's "dated". WTF when I watch a movie from the 1970's I don't expect the people to be using Cellphones or PC's. There are no ATM's but I expect to see alot of big American cars, sideburns and long hair."
Couldn't agree more.
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rossrjensen — 15 years ago(April 12, 2010 07:42 PM)
I'm not saying the movie is dated because people are from 1970. I don't like it when people don't understand what someone is saying so they make up a meaning for it.
When people say that something is dated, it means that the ideas don't translate over very well to a modern audience. When people say that it has aged well, it means that the ideas being presented are just as applicable to a modern audience as it was to the audience it was created for.
I have yet to see a legitimate reason why most the people that have posted on here are opposed to re-makes (not just Martin, there seems to be vitriol spewed towards ALL re-makes.) I'm certainly not saying they should make a re-make that is similar to Twilight with the name Martin stamped on it, I'm saying it would be good to see the Martin story re-done. They could set it in the 70's for all I care, I just think it would be interesting to see how they would flesh out the same ideas given another opportunity and greater funding. -
ATMinotaur — 12 years ago(May 16, 2013 09:40 AM)
I just think it would be interesting to see how they would flesh out the same ideas given another opportunity and greater funding.
What do you mean by this?
If you mean something along the lines of the idea, of not knowing if Martin is actually a vampire or not. Then a remake is not what you are after, this is what non remakes (aka original films) do anyway. And therefore making the idea of remaking any specific film unnecessary. Take slasher films, a lot use the same basic idea, and flesh them out in new stories for a different audience, same with and story grouping.
If you mean something else, please explain. -
rossrjensen — 15 years ago(April 12, 2010 07:52 PM)
"I think a lot of the depth and richness of the original would almost certainly be lost. The social upheaval of urban America in the 70's (viz. secularization, deindustrialization, white flight) is a major theme in Martin, and the way Romero skillfully and (relatively) subtly works those issues into the movie gives it a lot of the resonance it has."
I suppose this is probably why I said the movie seemed a little dated. You're not going to find many people who grew up in later decades that are going to understand those themes clearly - and it's not because they aren't intelligent enough, it's because they didn't live through it. However, the idea of "real life vampire" could easily be carried over and given different social commentary (and I think both of us would agree that this would be the challenge to doing a remake) it could take one interesting idea and put it in a setting that would be more relatable to today's audience.
"the kind of working-class ethnic white people this movie is about have largely left America's urban areas now."
Maybe a place to start would be to take the thematic concerns and put it in a suburban setting.
Social commentary could still certainly exist. In fact, that's what I like about Romero's Martin so much, is how maleable and flexible his idea is. He seemed to have effectively done this with some of his zombie movies, and I don't see any reason why he couldn't do the same with his "vampire" movie. -
thecultofhorror — 15 years ago(April 24, 2010 01:47 PM)
It is sad when I visit the "Martin" boards and see you are still posting in this same thread about the remake.
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rossrjensen — 15 years ago(April 26, 2010 03:09 PM)
Yes, I like to follow up with what I started. Why don't you try addressing the subjects being posted. If you don't have anything productive or worthwhile to add, then don't post. It's as simple as that.
This thread is titled "Martin Remake", I started it because it's a subject of interest to me, and you don't see me posting the same stuff elsewhere. I am not opposed to people posting their reasons why they don't like the idea, as long as they are constructive with it and take into consideration what I've said rather than simply being dismissive and attempting to be belittling.
I find it interesting you see my actions as "sad", yet here you are revisiting this thread and taking the time to point that out. I wonder which is really worse