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Did Johnny deserve what Max does to him?

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    boehm2home — 15 years ago(May 01, 2010 03:13 AM)

    He was at May's but wasn't present when the gang runs Jessie and Sprog over. I can see only 6 bikes, not 7. Johnny is missing.
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      dcampbell000 — 15 years ago(May 03, 2010 09:29 AM)

      Maybe if you watched more carefully, you'd notice there were seven bikers approaching Jessie just before they killed her. Besides, Johnny was clearly one of the bikers seen riding after the gang broke down that door. That is, before the gang was on the road. Since Johnny was missing right after they killed Max's family, there must have been some continuity error. There is no way a bike can stop or change course in just a few seconds. In any case, Johnny was a stone cold psychopath and even admitted it to Max.

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        Fog_Machine — 15 years ago(May 04, 2010 11:05 AM)

        "You can't kill me for stealing a man's boots!!"

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          zozogogo — 15 years ago(May 06, 2010 04:52 PM)

          It doesn't matter. He was part of the Toecutter's gang and he was one of the bikers named by the mechanic which, based on Max's reaction, sealed his fate.

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                shortbread226 — 15 years ago(May 13, 2010 07:15 PM)

                I agree with Doc Gibbon.
                Is the OP saying if Johnny had been there to kill Jessie Max would have been justified? He did leave a calling card of Jessie AND Goose when going on his rampage. Plus he doesn't actually know who did what does he? He just knows the gang did it. How would he know Johnny wasn't there.
                The whole point annoys me. Protaganists aren't there to adhere to a perfect moral code, they are there to be characters and real human beings. It is not a contradiction for Max to behave not completely justified in his revenge. He is portraying a real person that has lost everything in his life. Iy is realistic that he is not completely reasoned in his every action
                What you just read was probably a bit of a rant. Sorry

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                  dcarlos1 — 15 years ago(June 19, 2010 05:46 PM)

                  i believe the whole point of the movie is about a man losing everything and becoming just as bad as the people he used to arrest. road warrior is about a man finding something worth living for and becoming the good guy again.

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                    boehm2home — 15 years ago(July 06, 2010 02:20 PM)

                    As for Johnny: The whole gang laughed after him. He was accepted into the gang just because he "killed" The Goose. What he didn't - The Toecutter did. Later in the movie ass* like Mudguts and Starbuck did accept him, but -in no way- he was a real member of that gang. Even if he got the TC tatoo on the left side of his neck.
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                      nightthorn — 14 years ago(October 09, 2011 11:38 PM)

                      I always thought that Johnny was 'accepted' only because he was Toecutter's boytoy. But I could be wrong

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                        estcst-3 — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 08:56 AM)

                        I agree with the general notion of Max losing it in MM and finding some form of redemption in MM2/RW but I have to disagree about being "just as bad" as Toecutter's crew in the first film He gave Johnny a real chance to live, that's more than the Goose ever got.

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                          happy_apostate — 15 years ago(June 19, 2010 09:09 PM)

                          Who else think johnny didn't deserve what max does to him at the end?
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                              Dream_Demon — 15 years ago(June 21, 2010 02:38 PM)

                              To the topic creator: Yes, Johnny deserved to what Max did to him.
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                                grrrdevin — 12 years ago(September 28, 2013 02:00 AM)

                                Of course! Anyone who doesn't subscribe to vigilante justice surely must be a liberal and not just, you know, civilized.
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                                  I_Created_U — 11 years ago(February 25, 2015 08:35 PM)

                                  Amen!
                                  People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs

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                                    lexyladyjax — 10 years ago(July 28, 2015 01:37 PM)

                                    The OP must be a real Liberal.
                                    He BURNED MAX'S BEST FRIEND TO DEATH! (even though it could be argued that he dropped it after Toecutter throttled him)
                                    "You scum-sucking trash, THROOOOOOOOW IIIIIIIIT!" LOL
                                    Also, Max was at this point on a mission to execute all of the "skags".
                                    Liberal? What does being a Liberal have to with it? None of the dead had to make a choice whether to self-mutilate or die. If you can't see the difference you lack insight.
                                    There seemed to be something off about him psychologically. Nevertheless, Johnny shared responsibility for the deaths of Goose, Jessie and Sprog. In most value systems the punishment for those crimes is severe.
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                                      shin0bi_ninja — 15 years ago(July 16, 2010 01:25 PM)

                                      I think if Max had simply arrested Johnny, the film's climax would have been, well, an anti-climax.
                                      Johnny murdered Jim Goose, and as a result, Max took revenge on his friend's killer.

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                                        DarthBill — 15 years ago(July 16, 2010 08:59 PM)

                                        Johnny killed Goose and was part of the murder of Max's wife & child. Johnny had it coming. You can't be the bad guy and not expect to be punished.

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                                          Calmest — 15 years ago(July 20, 2010 08:01 AM)

                                          Yeah,
                                          well they were going to write it so that he arrests the guy
                                          but then some number-cruncher decided that the title "Merciful Max" wouldn't sell movie tickets.
                                          Go figure!

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