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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 02:51 AM)
What lame-brained conspiracy BS are you going off about now?
So there is no such thing as HARP, or now you're an expert on marine life? Next week you'll be an astronaut?
You don't even realise the paradox of your statement, do you?
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 03:32 AM)
Ok.. explain to me what is HARP and how is it killing Sea Mammals.
Googling, I find nothing under "HARP killing sea mammals.
I think you may be referring to HAARP, not HARP.
If I google HAARP killing sea mammals I get a freaking ton of hits.
Every last one of them from moronic and idiotc sites ran by conspiracy dumbasses. The same sort that believe in Chemtrails over Contrails, Alien visitations, 9/11 was done by our own government, and other such total bullsh!t.
Please tell me you are not one of "those people".
The Irony you fail to get in your last part is that you claim your info is correct and mine is not, citing that I am not privy to classified material, then cite your own source being a PUBLIC HEARING BEING BROADCAST OVER A PUBLIC ACCESS TV CHANNEL!!! which for sure as hell is NOT classified material.
And an FYI. I HAVE been privy to classified information(Not that I would ever divulge such information to you or anyone else publically)
I doubt you can legitimately make the same claim.
My job in the US Navy required a SECRET level clearance.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 05:01 AM)
You may be basing your statements off some propagandistically exaggerated statement of some admiral.
wow
just wow.
Googling, I find nothing under "HARP killing sea mammals.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/
So according to you, HARP has zero impact on marine life? Spoken like a true navy hack.
Oh of course HARP is harmless. Simply because the sailor says so.
I suggest you google the reality of just how sensitive marine mammal hearing is, and how biologists have tested how marine animals react to even moderate high sounds underwater. Start there and work you way into the research.
But regardlessnavy people will still be in denial anyway.
PUBLIC HEARING BEING BROADCAST OVER A PUBLIC ACCESS TV CHANNEL!!! which for sure as hell is NOT classified material.
No classified information was broadcast. HereI'll type it again.., Your admirals claim no "threatening" ships could get near American shores or in range of American international interests without detection. It's their claim. No classified info was asked for or provided in committee sessions.
Chemtrails done by our own government, and other such total bullsh!t.
Please tell me you are not one of "those people".
You might want to read this week's news. lol geez
(Not that I would ever divulge such information to you or anyone else publically)
I would never ask for the sicking truth regarding military secrets.
I doubt you can legitimately make the same claim.
Are you suggesting that military personnel testimony in Senate and House committee meetings is meaningless?
"You may be basing your statements off some propagandistically exaggerated statement of some admiral." Yeseven "trolls read your comments from previous posts.
My job in the US Navy required a SECRET level clearance.
Translation: 'I know everything.'
Got it.
Alien visitations and other such total bullsh!t.
Please tell me you are not one of "those people".
You just claimed this planet has never been visited by a civilization from another planet. You have zero proof to back that up sailor, yet claim unfounded claims are purely my problem and not yours. So the Navy and/or your Bible told you the human race has never had an alien visitation.
Got it.
"(Not that I would ever divulge such information to you or anyone else publically)"
So thenif the Navy was aware of extraterrestrial visits, you would tell us? lol
Not likely your admirals would either.
translation: You have a monopoly on information, and claim to be trustworthy. Funny stuff sailor.
I have a healthy amount of skeptical opinion about alien visits as well. But I don't call people crackpots for investigating. Because I trust your navy and federal government about as far as I can throw it.
Maybe you should check the public opinion polls on American trust for their own government next time. Google that issue.
By the waylets say aliens don't exist. Which could be the case, most certainly. Do you have any conception of how badly your navy and Defense Department have handled numerous controversies regarding this subject?
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 05:30 AM)
Googling, I find nothing under "HARP killing sea mammals.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/
So according to you, HARP has zero impact on marine life? Spoken like a true navy hack.
Oh of course HARP is harmless. Simply because the sailor says so.
Your article has nothing to do with whatever the hell your so-called HARP is.
It has to do with the impact of active sonar on sea life.
Yes.. active sonar can kill.
I would never claim otherwise.
I am asking you again WTF is HARP? and how does it kill sea mammals?
You are such a fraking moron you don't even know wtf you're talking about when you say HARP.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 02:27 PM)
Sonar "can kill", but you don't believe HAARP can. lol
At least I got the sailor to admit to that.
http://www.zengardner.com/haarp-continues-to-murder-sea-life/
Cold day in hell before I'll believe the Navy jackasses.
Did you type fraking or mean fracking for our next topic you'll go into denial over.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 08:04 PM)
LMAO at your moronic link.
Thanks for proving my case.
That link proves nothing other than idiots post crap to the internet and other even dumber idiots believe them.
There is no evidence that HAARP cause those die offs. The bodies of the dolphins were "scorched" because they were sitting out in the sun for hours, their death was from being beached, not some mysterious heat ray.
The so called HAARP funnel is nothing more than an unrelated waterspout.
You, Sir are a gullible moron.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:11 AM)
There is no evidence that HAARP cause those die offs. The bodies of the dolphins were "scorched" because they were sitting out in the sun for hours, their death was from being beached, not some mysterious heat ray.
HAARP drove sea mammals to the beach, and the sun did the rest. Very good sailor. We'll keep working at it.
Amazing that you confessed that sonar kills.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 08:12 PM)
The fact of the matter is that it is physically impossible for HAARP to do what you morons claim it is doing.
Your claims are science FICTION. HAARP isnt some tesla earthquake weapon or death ray.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:13 AM)
Actually extreme sound to attempt to detect and track Soviet subs or other potential enemies.
Actually there are some good books on the subject that can be easily ordered, but every word is considered controversial by you Navy buddies the admirals, who deny that intense sound can kill sea mammals and drive them to the beaches.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:37 AM)
Hey dumb sh!t how about you keep your arguments straight.
You are all over the place. I suspect you may even be drunk, as little sense your logic is making, you must have some sort of impaired mental facilities.
I said and agreed that active sonar can harm animals. That is a given.
I am not arguing against that, you your dumb ass keeps going back to it as though I am denying it.
STFU already.
You made the claim that HARP (actually it is HAARP) was doing so.
HAARP is not active sonar you moron.
The very link YOU provided was a conspiracy moron ranting that HAARP was killing animals.
No It's not!
The moron at the link was taking images of different things and assigning his own totally bullsh!t explanation for them that has no basis in facts.
He claims that the HAARP weapon was scorching animals and killing them.
The images was of Dolphins that beached themselves and had died, and whose bodies was then decomposing and baking under a hot summer sun. Not scorched by some mythical super weapon from science fiction
He then talks about the HAARP effect funnel. No such thing. The image he shows is a completely unrelated image of a normal WATERSPOUT!
Can you keep your damned arguments srraight and coherent? Maybe sober up before drunk posting again.
Stop Strawmanning me.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:42 AM)
Even I question the earthquake jazz, but that doesn't stop me from questioning HAARP's impact on nature.
Some actual intelligence and a little knowledge in the actual subject matter would.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 10:30 PM)
Some actual intelligence and a little knowledge in the actual subject matter would.
A sailor would actually need to have a conscience to begin with in order to make a credible argument.
Based on what I'm looking at, you couldn't care less about sea mammals.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 05:01 AM)
Ad hominems without any evidence is worthless. Its pathetic you even try it.
I have made no statement with which you can use as a base for a claim that I could care less about sea mammals.
I have made no statement for which you can lay base to a claim that I have no conscience.
You however have repeatedly made utterly nonsensical statements which calls your intelligence into direct question.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 07:55 AM)
Ad hominems without any evidence is worthless. Its pathetic you even try it.
Which is exactly what you're guilty of doing, so your post subject is self descriptive. lol Or do I need to copy and post your ad hominems?
I could care less about sea mammals
Then prove that you care and what you plan to do about it. Which is zip, I'll wager.
I have no conscience
So all your ad hominems are a product of compassion? lol geezthis is too easy.
have repeatedly made utterly nonsensical statements- You admitted sonar kills sea mammals.
- You admitted HAARP is communications, which is audio. The auditory pain creates stress, panic and disorientation to the nervous system. The mammals beach themselves and fry in the sun. Pretty easy to figure out.
So here is your ad hominem response: 'Oh that could never happen!!! You're a fraking idiot!!!'
I think we're making progress sailor.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 09:05 AM)
Then prove that you care and what you plan to do about it. Which is zip, I'll wager.
I dont have to prove I care.
You made the claim (without evidence) that I don't.
YOU have to prove your claim true.
I do not have to prove your claim false.
Kurt-2000 is a child raping pedophile.
Prove you're not.
I made the claim you are, so prove that you are not.
Now I don't belive you are. At least I have no reason to think its true, nor am I actually making the claim, just making a point.
In the case above. You can deny the claim. But there is no way to PROVE the claim false. At best all that can be done is fail to find proof it's true. But absense of proof, is not proof of absence.
You made two accusations against my character with no evidence whatsoever.
They are utterly false but I do not have to prove the accusation false. YOU have to prove them true. Your accusation without evidence is a prime example of a fallacious ad hominem.
My calling you an idiot and a moron however. is with evidence. Evidence by your own ignorant and factually untrue statements. YOU provide the proof that you are in fact an idiot. Thus it is not "name-calling".
It may be rude and impolite. But I have no reason to be polite to an asshat that tells lies, is ignorant, willfully ignorant of basic facts, And keeps insulting my character.- You admitted sonar kills sea mammals.
And? We're not talking about sonar. I am trying to get to your false claim concerning HAARP, which is NOT sonar. - You admitted HAARP is communications, which is audio. The auditory pain creates stress, panic and disorientation to the nervous system. The mammals beach themselves and fry in the sun. Pretty easy to figure out.
RADIO WAVES INTO THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE YOU DOLT! NOT ACOUSTICAL SOUND INTO OCEAN WATER!
WHEN WILL YOU GET THAT BASIC FACT THROUGH YOUR THICK FRAKING SKULL!?
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
- You admitted sonar kills sea mammals.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:32 AM)
I dont have to prove I care.
Ohwell then I guess that's how a sailor gets himself off the hook on that topic. lol Predictable cop out.
I can't think of anyone I've met who served in the Navy that expressed any care or interest in sea life. They refer to the mammals the same way Midwesterners refer to insects. It's almost inherent to the occupation. Kind of like the: 'oopps friendly fire accident - too bad'.
You made two accusations against my character
You're certainly a character. And nowlets get to the name calling segment of the discussion.
My calling you an idiot and a moron however. Thus it is not "name-calling".
Nothing contradictory in that paragraph. lol geez
NOT ACOUSTICAL SOUND INTO OCEAN WATER
Others would disagree with youbut I figure you'll be claiming to have high level access to classified projects in three, two, one. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:54 AM)
Others would disagree with you
Yeah total idiots.
Do you even know what HAARP stands for? I doubt it because you initially referred to it several times as HARP.
HAARP: The
H
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A
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A
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R
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P
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Let me direct your limited attention to the second A, the one you left out.
Auroral
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As in, pertaining to auroras or Northern Lights.
Its purpose was to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance. The HAARP program operated a major sub-arctic facility, named the HAARP Research Station, on an Air Force-owned site near Gakona, Alaska.
The most prominent instrument at the HAARP Station is the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high-power radio frequency transmitter facility operating in the high frequency (HF) band. The IRI is used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere. Other instruments, such as a VHF and a UHF radar, a fluxgate magnetometer, a digisonde (an ionospheric sounding device), and an induction magnetometer, were used to study the physical processes that occur in the excited region.
No Acoustical instruments, no sound. No oceanic instruments. Gakona Alaska and the HAARP facility is located far inland, not on the coast.
HAARP itself has not been operating since May of 2013, and permanently closed since August 2015.
HAARP was a target of conspiracy theorists, who claimed that it was capable of modifying weather, disabling satellites and exerting mind control over people, and that it was being used as a weapon against terrorists. Such theorists blamed the program for causing earthquakes, droughts, storms and floods, diseases such as Gulf War syndrome and chronic fatigue syndrome, the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800, and the 2003 destruction of the space shuttle Columbia. Commentators and scientists say that proponents of these theories are "uninformed", because most theories put forward fall well outside the abilities of the facility and often outside the scope of natural science.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:18 PM)
HAARP: The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
That was the description the program was hidden under, only with the understanding that the Navy was willing to share with the public when responding to public and press inquiry. For the most part, the Navy has offered next to nothing in providing information on this technology. The underwater aspect of this research was never discussed with the public. Leaks from former staff did shed some light to justify public concern.
No Acoustical instruments, no sound. No oceanic instruments.
What the Navy wants you to believe.
Gakona Alaska and the HAARP facility is located far inland, not on the coast.
That's one facility location the Navy allows the public to know about.
Your insecurity problems regarding this matter is truly bizarre. What are you afraid of? The Navy is in no danger of losing this project or any of their other highly classified research programs. They've got the Congress giving them anything they want. A very sweet arrangement for your (former?) employer. And we continue to count the dead sea mammals washed up on the shore.
But I shouldn't be an ingrate here. You did confess the impact of sonar on sea mammals, so I should be grateful for that much honesty. Other Navy guys wouldn't have even gone that far.
HAARP itself has not been operating since May of 2013, and permanently closed since August 2015.
Yeah, and there's nothing going on at Area 51 either. And there aren't any other classified facilities in the U.S. either, or no-fly zones. SureI get it. Just shut people down when questions are asked. That is the classic military tactic. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 11:44 PM)
That was the description the program was hidden under
What the Navy wants you to believe.
ROFLMAO
and you attacked me saying I am not privy ro secret programs yet you and your conspiracy nujob morons seem to claim to know everying about supposedly hidden and secret orogram that are made up in your imagination.
Tell me just how the hell do you think you know something that's hidden and covered up.?
Fraking morons, I swear.
But I shouldn't be an ingrate here. You did confess the impact of sonar on sea mammals, so I should be grateful for that much honesty. Other Navy guys wouldn't have even gone that far.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!