OMG, worst ending EVAR - ruined the whole film for me (Slight spoilers)
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CGSailor — 12 years ago(December 31, 2013 09:21 PM)
Yeah, I suspected you'd be compelled to spam my thread and insult me, you compulsive twit.
Well since the ending of the film where they did NOT engage the Japanese and alter history has been discussed over and over. And I have shot them down every time for it Yeah it's as though you WANTED me to come insult you for it.
Careful what you wish for.
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kingneutron-394-801657 — 12 years ago(January 01, 2014 09:10 AM)
I posted an OPINION, you crusty sea turtle. You don't get to come into my thread and call me an idiot just for posting something that you happen to disagree with.
The way you spam the threads for this movie, you'd think you were practically part of the production crew. But sadly, you weren't. You should spend some quality time getting the salt outta your barnacles, then maybe you'd fit in a little better here.
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Hanz-Willhelm — 10 years ago(April 21, 2015 12:00 PM)
He insulted you? Well, that's all he does. Read the troll's history, all he does in go from board to board insulting 70% of those he comments to. That's all he has in lifepost on message boards all day, "I've was in the navy 20 years ago, sunny", call everyone an idiot, feel better about himself and rinse and repeat the next day.
Seriously, that's all this freak does, he never has an opinion about any film, he never starts a thread, he just wonders around and starts arguments with everyone, calls everyone an idiot, and thinks he's important.
He's a troll that actually think he isn't a troll. The jerk literally can't get along with ANYONE. It's a stupid movie. It's all fake, who cares. Who even cares what the topic it or the point at hand, once you start talking to other people the way he does you've lost your soul. This guy is this bitter because ofwait for it.movies. Some 35 year old, fantasy and this guy lowers himself to this level. He's a troll, the takes himself tooooooooo seriously troll. It's a stinking movie! There is no such thing as time travel, never will be. He acts like you've insulted his mother.
Put him on ignore. There is nothing interesting in him, there are no good qualities, he isn't worth interacting with. He just insults everyone he interacts with. Maybe that's why he's so bitter because he has no friends. Someone who treats fellow humans as awful as he does doesn't deserve to have any.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(September 07, 2016 11:56 AM)
he never has an opinion about any film
Wrong
I have plenty of opinion about various films.
Both those I love, like
Tora Tora Tora
, and those I hate, Like
Pearl Harbor
.
he never starts a thread,
Wrong
I have started plenty of threads.
But starting a thread is not a prerequisite to not being a troll so your argument, even if I did not start any threads, is a BS argument.
he just wonders around and starts arguments with everyone
Wrong
I get along with quite a few. There are quite a few I do butt heads with, people like YOU. But that is hardly everyone.
calls everyone an idiot
Wrong
Just the idiots.
And BTW. The OP is not an idiot for having an opinion about the film.
He's an Idiot for creating a new thread on a topic (the ending) that has been repeatedly discussed in multiple threads ad nauseum, rather than adding his contribution to one of the existing threads.
The jerk literally can't get along with ANYONE
Wrong
There are plenty I do get along with. Usually the more intelligent posters. People Like Cairo for example.
This guy is this bitter because ofwait for it.movies
Wrong. Not because of movies. Because of stupid people posting stupid sh!t.
Put him on ignore.
Please Hans.
Take your own advice and stop being the very beep you accuse me of being.
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Cairo-5 — 12 years ago(January 01, 2014 07:53 PM)
In a world where time travel is possible but you cant change anything the very valid point of time travel would be to learn. How many historical mysteries that have perplexed mankind for ages could be resolved if we could just travel back in time and merely observe, without changing, what happened? There can therefore be great value in being only an observer.
And even if there are no particular mysteries to unravel and we pretty much know what happened we can still as only an observer gain greater insight and understanding into how events unfolded and why things happened. We can record the exact sequence and timing of events and note what persons were present and exactly what actions they took and when.
By doing this we could provide invaluable assistance to those same persons as they try, years later, to recount these events that may well have been a very important and pivotal point in their lives. In so doing we could as only an observer help to confirm their accounts and also spare them from having to rely solely on possibly faulty memories as they explain to others how they experienced this critical moment.
However Im not posting to expound on the clear and obvious value in traveling back in time to only observe. My purpose is rather to discuss the value of a movie that presents a version of time travel where you cant change anything. And also to present a case that The Final Countdown not only provides that kind of value, but also provides value in other ways.
This is not to argue that value can be found only in one genre. There is also value in versions of time travel where things can be changed. And indeed many excellent examples could be cited where that concept has been explored. But these types of stories take a fascinating fantasy (time travel) and delve even deeper into the pleasurable and thought provoking fantasy aspects of altering the past.
By contrast, The Final Countdown takes the initial fantasy but imposes restraints on it. In so doing it presents a picture of the kinds of limitations and frustrations ordinary people often have to deal with. It would be nice to obtain anything you want by merely summoning a genie from a magic lamp. And good stories have been produced about such things. But most people never have everything they might wish for, and what they do get is obtained by personal effort and not by magic. That too can make for a very compelling story. From an American point of view it is a nice fantasy to change the past by inflicting a stinging defeat on the Japanese strike force at Pearl Harbor. And I suppose to the Japanese it would be an equally nice fantasy to achieve an even greater and more decisive victory.
But the lesson of The Final Countdown is that even if you seem to have a magical opportunity to get what you want you may still find success beyond your reach. And you will have no choice but to accept your limitations. You can feel the frustration the aviators experience when they are recalled to the USS Nimitz just as they are about to attack the Japanese strike force. And now for the rest of their lives they will not only feel the dismay that historically the US fleet suffered so much at Pearl Harbor, but they will have the sorrowful knowledge that they themselves were there. They had the Japanese in sight and possessed the fire power to destroy them. And yet, they couldnt do it.
And not just the aviators. The entire crew of the Nimitz knew when and where they were. They knew their planes had been launched with the objective of defending Pearl Harbor. And they also must now live with the frustration of knowing the mission had to be aborted, and the Japanese attack allowed to proceed without interference.
But hand in hand with the frustration of having these limitations, the time travelers now also face the question of which is better. Perhaps it is all for the best that they failed to obtain what they wished for in the passion of the moment and instead through their failure, frustrating though it was, were able to return to the same world that they left. And not only the crew but also the thoughtful, perceptive members of the audience are left to grapple with this most stimulating question.
Part of the value of The Final Countdown is that there are so few other movies that explore these concepts. There are many superb stories that cover the aspects of time travel changing things. So much so that it will hardly diminish our treasury of entertainment if yet another such story is not added to the pack. It will enhance our store case of entertainment if a different kind of time travel story, one that well presents the alternative viewpoint, joins the woefully meager collection of similar stories. It will certainly benefit our culture when thoughtful, perceptive members of the audience find their intellects challenged by the issues presented in such a story.
But there is an entirely different area where The Final Countdown delivers value, probably unintended by the produc -
dayvit78 — 9 years ago(September 02, 2016 01:43 AM)
Wonderfully stated post Cairo5! Long, but well worth the read - unfortunately it's stuck in a thread with some flame wars going on so not many will stumble upon it.
I appreciate many old films for the opportunity to get a glimpse of ordinary people. Take for example, many of the silent era films - what type of clothes the people in the background wear, what type of jobs are portrayed on screen. Fascinating. -
Cairo-5 — 9 years ago(September 07, 2016 02:11 AM)
Glad you enjoyed it. I didn't agree with the OP and it seemed he was convinced no one could give him a rational rebuttal. I guess in that way he inspired me to do my best.
One of the oldies from the silent era that really struck me with background detail was the Charlie Chaplin classic The Kid. The portrait of the world of the "lower class" was so real. Of course the padded muscles on the bullyI had to laugh.
It's easier to be an individual than a god.
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CGSailor — 12 years ago(February 15, 2014 07:52 PM)
Even with correct spelling, the style of the thread title automatically consigns it to troll status.
Any post thread that's titled "Worst (insert whatever here) Ever" is automatically a troll.
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kjguhl — 12 years ago(February 14, 2014 11:00 PM)
Seeing as the storm followed the Nimitz even when they tried to change direction, it was obviously nature's way of making sure they didn't get a chance to change history and cause a paradox. So it wasn't a random ending.
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allenm-01050 — 10 years ago(July 28, 2015 07:33 AM)
This movie, unlike the others you mentioned, contains real events that actually happened. Without the time traveling of course.
Why would you want them change what really happened to thousands of men and women who have been honored for their sacrifice to their country and a major world changing event?
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wvsarafan — 10 years ago(November 15, 2015 03:09 PM)
"by kingneutron-394-801657
Up until the last 15 minutes or so, I was really enjoying this film, thought it was a 5-star movie (Netflix scale) -
When the jet planes were finally given permission to engage the Japanese planes that had just destroyed the yacht, I had a big grin on my face - things were just about to get more exciting, because we had a second chance to remake history.
I'm not going to spoil this movie for those who haven't seen it yet (I just saw it for the first time yesterday, after all) but see the "1632" (Eric Flint) and "Axis of Time" (John Birmingham) book series for a better/more satisfying way to tell a story like this.
I ended up giving "Final Countdown" 2 stars instead of 5"
What are you like 12 years old? "EVAR"?????????? Really? Grown ups don't talk like that so you MUST be 12.