Loomis' monologue about Samhain and the druids
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Mr_Ectoplasma — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 10:13 PM)
I re-watched the series over the weekend, and noticed something that I'd never really picked up on before. Loomis goes on a diatribe about Samhain and the druids in the car with Marion before they turn around and head back to the hospital; I don't remember it word-for-word, but it had to do with the druids and appeasing the gods with sacrifice.
I have to wonder then if there was some vague intention to take the Michael plot line into the territory that we get in Part 6 way back in 197980 when Part 2 was written.
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dave626 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 03:58 AM)
It served several purposes. It foreshadowed Michael's fire death, was expanded on in Halloween III by Carpenter into a separate story and finally incorporated into 6 with it's own cult themes.
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GorchBrother — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 04:39 AM)
The first movie is set on
Halloween
night, aka Samhain in the ancient celtic traditions, for a reason.
It's not like in the middle of Home Alone 2 they realised that subsequent Home Alone movies could exploit and expand on the idea of Christmas and Christmas trees, Christmas presents etc in that movie.
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dave626 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 05:06 PM)
Dr. Dan, it's been a few years, but I definitely remember that. I own the book. It is a neat little add on. Sadly, since it was book only and not in the movie, it's not exactly canon, but more of "Curtis Richards" licensed embellishment meant to fill pages.
In other words, not Carpenter's idea.
mav, at least Halloween III got it right. I think Halloween 6 producer's cut got it wrong again though. Loomis was a doctor, not a warlock/male witch like Cochran. Loomis wouldn't know how to pronounce it, but Cochran definitely would.
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cjh8504 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 08:44 PM)
Americans pronounce words differently. Like schedule. In England the emphasize the H like Shedule. In America it's more like skedule. There's many others.
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Leo_Rossi — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 08:54 PM)
Well Samhain is not a American word. It is A Irish word. It is Pronounced Sowin. No matter if you are from America or not.
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Leo_Rossi — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 11:45 PM)
You are the "cat" I'm referring to. You say that Americans pronounce things different than people from other countries. Loomis isn't American, he's English. Don't you think he would pronounce the word closer to what the Irish would rather than how an American would?
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cjh8504 — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 09:27 PM)
I know. I'm just joshing you. And it depends how long he's been in America, I guess. People lose their accent, dialect, whatever after living in a place and being around the inhabitants long enough.
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DrDanielChallis — 9 years ago(November 04, 2016 11:34 AM)
I always figured it was good to go for the book, but not really a part of the movie canon - a little bonus for taking the time to read - I love additional content that only enhances without drastically changing anything or spelling it out for me
it actually helped connect III to the first two movies, just as far as pagan lore being the thread through all 3 of those when keeping the novelization in mind -
DrDanielChallis — 9 years ago(November 04, 2016 03:37 PM)
no, I haven't - perhaps I misspoke?
I had meant that the Halloween novelization helped to bolster the pagan theme and one could keep it in mind while viewing HI-HIII and then from that perspective, there would be an overarching Halloween theme that runs through those
I think I saw an ebook or the audio reading of HIII on youtube but I haven't read/listened yet if my memory is correct
any good books you read lately?
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