I was stunned when I noticed how the dialogs in V is relevant and applicable to the current adminstration 25 years later
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jriddle73 — 16 years ago(November 03, 2009 03:45 PM)
Hmmmmm.President Bush never, to my knowledge, blasted a news organization the way Obama has blasted Fox.
Fox "News" openly helps organize fascist mobs against the Obama administration, and is temporarily denied the opportunity to interview an Obama official. When, OTOH, the New York Times spilled the beans on Bush's criminal wiretapping scheme, the administration not only "blasted" the Times (even though the paper had done Bush the inexcusable favor of sitting on the story for a year in order to ensure Bush's reelection)it threatened to actually prosecute the newspaper. Calls for such a move were quite loud in the pro-Bush press. The administration asserted, in writing, that it could suspend the 1st Amendment and other fundamental constitutional protections at will, and these weren't theoretical legal opinionsthey were adopted as official policy. For
years
, you couldn't say anything critical about the Bush administration without having 10,000 pro-Bush slugs descend upn you and accuse you of being pro-terrorist (I was on the sustained receiving end of more of that than I care to remember, and all I did was write some blog posts). The administrations' apologists were like the inbred pro-Visitor mobs of V, attacking and persecuting scientists because they'd been portrayed as enemies. For that matter, the Bush administration also waged its own war on science for the whole of its reign.
The Visitors kidnapped huge numbers of people, tortured some of them, put many of them in cold storage for dinner later. Bush, though he had no dinner plans for his victims, employed the same methods. The administration ignored the law and the constitution at will, asserting, among so many other things, the power to kidnap, torture, ship to foreign soil to be tortured (like a mother-ship), or "detain" anyone it arbitrarily designated an enemy. Bush claimed the power to prosecute those so designated in secret trials with secret evidence and predetermined outcomes, to kill them in secret, and to just leave them in a deep, dark hole forever, no access to courts, lawyers, anything.
When it comes to resources, the Visitors were after our water and our meat, while Bush was after the oil. Everything the Visitors told the humans about their plans and intentions was completely false, a tapestry of lies designed to herd public opinion behind them long enough to put their real plans into effectexactly what happened with Bush.
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dpcole7 — 13 years ago(October 14, 2012 12:42 PM)
Now THAT is the sort of informed response that is rare on the internet. Even my responses, meant just to bring up opposing points of view for the same reason others posted their views in the first place, don't include that level of detail. But my goal is thinking of perspectives, regardless of what my true beliefs are.
And don't forget "free speech zones".
A lot of the Obama people certainly choose not to remember anything from last decade but who said Obama eliminated such zones; I don't keep up with politics to that level of detail -
RBA1778 — 15 years ago(April 05, 2010 11:36 AM)
You have a pretty short memory. Check the records. And you might want to do some digging on anything you hear from Fox. They can get it right, but they're just as bad as MSNBC, just the other direction. News media as entertainment.
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dpcole7 — 13 years ago(October 14, 2012 12:36 PM)
A simple google of "FOX lies" can bring up a lot of results try it some time. FOX has a history of spin that's on par with anyone else in the "liberal media", even if FOX leans more "conservative". They all spin; any outlet that tries to overtly say they don't isn't going to be telling you the truth either, but they will hope you will blindly swallow it.
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stupidimdb-2 — 11 years ago(November 16, 2014 08:32 PM)
Yeah, Fox News is not a news organization, but MSNBC, NY Times etc are all news organizations, Melissa Harris Perry is not racist, CNN's Carol Costello is an unbiased 'journalist', blah blah blah.
The guy hired by this administration called stupid all who voted for BO - http://www.vox.com/2014/11/13/7211279/obamacare-jon-gruber-controversy
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Bree_33 — 16 years ago(January 27, 2010 09:08 AM)
I thought the Americans were more afraid of
Communism
than
fascism.
I realized that they are the same in terms of
Totalitarianism.
What is the difference between fascism, communism, & totalitarianism?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091231185730AAfqY1w
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dsengel — 16 years ago(November 03, 2009 02:55 PM)
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I love too how conservatives cannot admit that Bush was exactly how they explain Obama is. You can criticize Obama as much as you want, but at least show us you have a brain and start off by saying something like "I know Bush trampled over our civil rights and freedoms and outright lied to us for the past 8 years, but Obama" Do that and you'll at least give yourself some credibility. Otherwise you just come off as naive or maybe you just got back from Diana's conversion chamber.
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TheSolarSailor — 16 years ago(November 03, 2009 06:08 PM)
Sadly, someone is using the new V series to make a commentary on the Obama administration. I really don't appreciate that element of the new series so far.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
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EMME30 — 16 years ago(November 03, 2009 11:51 PM)
If the fascist mobs you're referring to are tea party attendees then that's ridiculous. The man who organized the one in Indiana, where I live, is a regular business owner. He's now running against Evan Bayh. I don't believe in silencing a news organization, if that's what the Bush administration was doing, but I do think that there is more than one side to every story. I investigate things. I don't just listen to the news, on any channel, to get my facts. I don't believe in total government control either & that is what V centers on. The loss of freedom & the fight against the loss of freedom.
Go shake down the 7-11 for a day old wiener. Melvin- As Good as it Gets -
S.L.Fake — 16 years ago(December 04, 2009 12:40 PM)
After reading these comments and seeing how some have fallen for the propaganda put out by the current corrupt administration and its lap dogs at CNN, NBC, ABC,CBS, MSNBC, News Week, New York Times, etc etc etc, I really believe that it is too late for this country.
The slide to solicialism and then to tyrany is unstoppable.
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dpcole7 — 13 years ago(October 14, 2012 12:39 PM)
How has it been socialism?
Unless George W Bush and Reagan were socialists I mean, just google "Obama Bush third term" or "Obama is Bush 2.0" and read the opinions of people who aren't going to agree with your claims. (Try going to some political forums as well, if you really want to discuss details with others)