What do G1 fans think about the Bay Transformer movies?
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Moonbaseone — 15 years ago(February 10, 2011 03:39 PM)
I think he did a decent job. The special effects and the way the Transformers looked was pretty cool. My main issue was the badly written comedy in the series, like the leg humping robot, the oil/peeing robot, and the cringe worthy Devastator's testicles.
And I think the "Pretender" robot could have been left out, IMO
AND, I hate the fact that they killed off Jazz.
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Jacko9785 — 16 years ago(July 22, 2009 09:02 AM)
The movies are far too much about the humans than the transformers, which is too be expected as they pay the actors/actresses to appear in the film so they will get the most airtime.
The only dialogue I enjoyed in the movies were between the transformers and in the second film there's hardly any. The only autobot you hear talking is Optimus and the other autobots are just pawns used in the battles. Bumblebee not being able to talk is annoying as well.
The best bit in TF 2 is when Megatron goes to Cybertron and the on going feud for power between him and Starscream becomes more established and we get to see Cybertron! -
km9000 — 16 years ago(August 29, 2009 10:22 PM)
I don't think it's the actors' salaries as much as it is the cost of creating the animation for the robots. That said, that doesn't mean they couldn't have found more creative ways to work around that. Or made the robots more interesting in their limited screen time. Or made the humans more interesting (and likable) in their plentiful screen time.
As for the movies being for people with IQs below 80, it seems like a lot of those people are
proud
to have IQs below 80, so kinda hard to argue with that.
"Me like movies dat no make me think! U got problem wit dat?"
Or maybe Michael Bay's main demographic is Dinobots. Hmm -
blackheart981 — 16 years ago(August 30, 2009 03:14 AM)
I didn't see the 2nd Transformers but the only thing i really liked about the first bayformer was Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime. Bayformers just lacked character development and it wasn't as interesting like G1.
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matthew-reynolds2 — 16 years ago(September 01, 2009 05:37 AM)
I would love this series of films more if we had less about these boring humans and less of the trite coming of age rubbish and had more about Transformers trying to kill each other ! Would it not be great if they had one film which saw Unicron inducing inertia on the Transformers via a plague of some sort ? Then the All Spark AKA Matrix could revive a load of long dormant Transformers such as Dinobots , Lazerbeak , Buzzaw , Ratbat, Predacons , Terracons , Skylinx, Steeljaw and Ramhorn. This could be a bit of a rehash of what went on in G3 inasmuch as you could have the animal Transformers saving the galaxy from destruction.
I would love more of these films to be set in space so that these boring human sub-plots are kept to no more than a handful of scenes meaning that we get not only more Transformer characters on screen but more time for character development.
For instance if the Decepticon's suffered a bad defeat at the hands of the Autobot's you could revisit some ideas considered by the writers of the 1986 movie that never really where used. Megatron could be killed when leading a major attack on Earth which he has been duped into mounting by Starscream and his followers (Thrust,Dirge,Thundercracker,Blitzwing,Skywarp,Octane,Astrotrain and Ramjet).
Ultra Magnus could lead a major charge of Autobots against Devestator,Menasor , Bruticus and Predaking which could see Blue Streak ,Sideswipe,Windcharger,Gears, Hoist,Tracks & Skids get killed along with Inferno & Grapple. Optimus could turn up with the Dinobots,Jetfire (revived by Allspark) & Omega Supreme who then take out the Insecticons, Constructicons, Frenzy,Rumble,Ravage,Reflector & Shockwave.
The rest of the film could be about Starscream's leadership of the Decepticons with him & his clique running the show much as Galvatron,Cyclonus,Scourge and the Sweeps did in the 1986 movie & G3. I would not kill off Optimus Prime rather he would lead a revived Jazz ( brought back to life by All Spark),Prowl,Ironhide, Mirage , Arcee,Cliff Jumper, Bumblebee & Ratchet in a mission. This would be to stop the Quintessons & Sharkticons from wiping out the Junkions. The Autobots are transported around on Skylinx & Omega Supreme
The Decepticons by now have Trypticon as a flying base from which they launch hit & run attacks to try and gain enough energon cubes to fuel the reconquest on Cybertron. They strike across the galaxy and often end up fighting Superion,Defensor or Computron. Optimus Prime & co succeed in destroying the Quintisson home planet and the few survivors from the Quintisson & Sharkticon ranks team up with Starscream's forces.However the Decepticons get the energy they need and make their attack on Cybertron. The Autobots are secure on Earth as Starscream leads another attack on Metroplex - apart from killing Sunstreaker,Hound , Huffer & Brawn this assault achieves little. The Autobot combiners and Dinobots coupled with Metroplex deal the Decepticons a bad defeat.Starscream fails because of all his hit &run attacks across the Galaxy designed to boost energy supplies have left his forces over-stretched.Not having any combiners with him when attacking Metroplex causes his jets & triple changers and Soundwave to be outnumbered & out gunned.
Trypticon cannot join the attack on Earth because he is being held at bay by Omega Supreme, Jetfire and Skylinx. Having saved the Planet of Junk Prime and his Autobots reply to a distress call from an alien world under attack from the Terracons , Trypticon and Predaking. The Autobots see off the Decepticons but not before they have gained much in energy reserves.
The movie ends with Starscream leading a victorious attack on Cybertron meaning that the Decepticon goal of starting a Galactic Empire from the Transformer Home Planet is underway. So the film ends in stalemate as the Decepticons have only managed one of two objectives that is they have taken over Cybertron but failed to capture Earth & its energy resources.
But just before the final credits roll on this film we see the ghosts of Megatron,Insecticons Reflector & Construticons being morphed into Galvatron,Cyclonus, Scourge,Sweeps & Seacons while Shockwave is rebuilt as Sixshot. Unicron orders them to destroy Optimus Prime & Starscream and all their followers. Unicron vests his creations with awesome power as he wants the Transformers (save his newly created slaves ) wiped out before they team up & kill him.
That could pave the way for a fourth film. The past two have been set on Earth and just for a change having more Transformers involved with more action taking place on Cybertron,Junkion , Quintessa and on other alien worlds might make for a better third film. This is sci-fi not American Pie after all. -
ZeoRangerFive — 15 years ago(June 08, 2010 09:24 PM)
That's pretty much how I feel as well. There were just so many things that they changed or whatever and for no good reason either. First off that same year people were bitching because Spider-Man 3 had gotten away from the comics and didn't follow stories or characters correctly. Then a month or two later Transformers comes out and people LOVE it and no one seems to care that it didn't follow the cartoon correctly. I mean, first off it was too damn long, second in a 2 1/2 hour movie why would the main villain (Megatron) show up in the last 30 minutes of the movie? That made no sense. The Megatron/Starscream rivalry was whittled down to a line or two. Bumblebee couldn't talk and there was absolutely no reason to do that. There were other things I didn't like about the movie, but I can't remember them. I've only ever seen the movie twice all the way through, and that's enough.
Now, regarding the 2nd movie, I felt it was closer to the cartoons. I enjoyed the inclusion of the Matrix (regardless of the fact that it kept changing in size) and I liked that movie way more. But people hated it. So, it's just weird, people apparently want their comic book movies to stick to the stories, but cartoon adaptations they want the filmmakers to just do whatever they want. If it sticks to the stories then they hate it. People are stupid.
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Vihktor-24 — 15 years ago(June 09, 2010 02:28 AM)
It's not about which movie is closer to the cartoons, it's about which one is overall more enjoyable. ROTF retained much of the first movie's bad qualities and expanded them. People liked the first movie over the sequel because it was
better
in numerous fields, not to mention it was new at the time to see live-action Transformers on the big screen. ROTF didn't have that advantage.
And on another note, "cartoon adaptation" isn't a word that should be used to describe these. The makers stated from the get-go that these movies won't be adaptations, only that they would take ideas form what has came before. So please don't call other stupid because of your own ignorance. -
ZeoRangerFive — 15 years ago(June 09, 2010 11:10 AM)
No I'm not ignorant if they're going to make a movie called Transformers then it should maintain something from the original series. TF has one of the biggest fan bases and to take the series and just say we're only going to take the premise and screw around with it as we see fit is wrong.
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Vihktor-24 — 15 years ago(June 09, 2010 12:20 PM)
Names, character traits, artifacts, one or two voice actors, the basic concept of Autobots VS Decepticons don't these count as "something"?
And don't forget, there's much more to Transformers than just that cartoon show. The movies also took ideas from other sources, like Beast Wars and Armada. -
Vihktor-24 — 15 years ago(June 09, 2010 12:49 PM)
How so? Certainly, not all, but the most important characteristics were incorporated. Optimus is still the wise leader who protects his friends with his life, Jazz was the 'hip' guy, Bumblebee the main human character's best friend and protector, Ironhide a rough, tough and combative guy, Megatron a maniac who's hungry for power, Ratchet um I don't remember if he had any specific traits in the show other than being a medic, etc.
Not saying everyone was spot-on, nor that every character retained their namesakes' traits, but the basics were there. And they didn't deviate any more than some of the other series did. -
flying_falcon — 15 years ago(April 25, 2010 11:32 AM)
You asked for an opinion on the Bay movies verses G1. Here we go and I won't be surprised if this gets a few answers in itself. As it has been stated they were based LOOSELY on the original but there are some differences that were made that I disliked myself. First let me compare some of the Transformers from the movies to there G1 counterparts.
Optimus Prime: In G1 he was actually 3 units. The Optimus Unit which we saw most of the time (The part that was his robot form) The Prime Unit which consisted of his trailer in vehicle form and Roller. I read a few years ago that the Primes, ie Optimus and Rodimus consisted most usually of the Optumis or Rodimus Unit and the Prime unit in this type of format. Also in the G1 I always Like Optimus as an 18 wheeler rather than like in the Bay movies as just a bobtail tractor. Notice that in most of the cartoon versions Optimus most usually consists in this type of format (Or in the ones I have seen but I do not claim to have every version. Also to me Opitmus is a Cab over Tractor rather than a conventional like we see in the Bay movie. If I am thinking right in G1 he was modeled after a Freightliner as well verses the Kenworth they modeled him after in the Bay Movie. However it is harder to distinguish between the makes of the Cab over truck than it is for the Conventinals.
Bumble Bee: Opinions may very but to me Bumble Bee and Cliff Jumper both were modeled after Volkwagon Beetles I mean come on you can't watch a G1 cartoon and say you don't see that. In my opinion they should have modeled him after a Volkswagon. I have to agree that Bumble Bee and Spike were friends but Bumble Bee is not the same.
Megatron: In some of the newer cartoon he is a Tank that I can deal with but in G1 he was gun that from the looks the toy I have to guess was modeled after a .44 Magnum Desert Eagle. (But I haven't seen the toy in many of years so I might be wrong there) Making him a ship was wrong I would have preferred it if they had found a way for him to find a tank to disguise himself as.
They did alright with Frenzy but I would have preferred Rumble myself.
Both Ratchet and Ironhide were modeled after Toyota Minvans Ratchet was a Ambulance and Ironhide was more of a passenger type but they were Toyota Minivans of the time nonetheless. In The movie Ironhide was modeled after a Hummer SUT and Ratchet I am not 100% sure what he was modeled after.
Starscream: was about the only that was accurately transferred over to the Movie but the voice actor (in my opinion was wrong).
The Bay Movies were ok but they didn't have the feel of the Transformers, however in my opinion they wanted to push some of the Project cars through the Movies which is why they felt the had to Change Ironhide so drastically as well as Bumble Bee. They did to Jazz and then killed him. But oh well -
home0006 — 15 years ago(August 27, 2010 10:18 AM)
Cliff Jumper wasn't a VW Beetle, he was supposedly a Porsche 924 Turbo.
Anyhow my feeling about it was I viewed the first Michael Bay Transformers movie as an introduction to the franchise for a new generation. I knew it wasn't going to be true to the origins so I kept that in mind going into it. Overall I would say it was satisfying for what it was. No where near a great movie, and as a G1 fan who grew up with them there were a lot of things I would have liked to be seen changed, but I viewed it as Transformers, not G1 Transformers. It was though a fun movie.
As for the second ROTF, I hated it. I went into it hoping they'd build upon the first movie expanding the role of the Transformers. It didn't. It stuck with the same formula as the first one, but rather than improving upon it by adding more character development of the Transformers everything I didn't like about the first movie was magnified such as adding meaningless irritating characters like his roommate, too many dog humping jokes, the stoned mother running around campus etc.
Much like the Wolverine movie, it seemed like they just threw Transformers in there because they felt they had to. They gave familiar names to Transformers but gave them 0 personality or even lines such as Arcee and Sideswipe-which is what people like about the Transformers. I don't love Hound because he's a green jeep. I love Hound because he's an interesting character who appreciates Earth and would like to know more about it. Same goes for Prowl, he's not my favorite character because he's a cop car. He's my favorite character because he's the most logical of all Autobots, and his ability to process things at such a high rate to calculate the highest probable logical outcome is what made him 2nd in command. Michael Bay doesn't seem to understand this about Transformers fans and only sees the Transformers themselves as "instruments of destruction" for big battle scenes. It seems the only Transformers they gave personalities to were the two annoying twins. There was a time when I was watching it that I totally forgot Ratchet was even in the movie.
Once Optimus dies in it, I generally stop watching the movie because it goes down hill fast. -
blackheart981 — 15 years ago(August 27, 2010 08:20 PM)
Bay obviously did not know how to make TFs. He had zero idea on how every character was like, so what do we do from this point on? Make pathetic excuses of human beings, dumb jokes, and blow everything up! The latter being his trademarker. I simply loathed the first TF film and had high hopes for the sequel, but boy was I even more wrong. I'm glad Megan Fox walked out/got fired because she doesn't have to be associated to a film that butchered Transformers or almost had nothing to do with Transformers.