Johnny's defeat
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SilverGameDog — 9 years ago(May 25, 2016 08:45 PM)
What was unrealistic? I don't understand. You mean him telling his students to cheat?
I don't think so.
I think it's super important for him to win. No matter what it takes. So he was one of the villains.
What was unrealistic was Johnny suddenly becoming good at the end.
Johnny is the main villain. Kreese is a secondary villain. -
Rizzyay — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 03:26 PM)
There is almost always an honor culture in a tuff boy's life. Working with young kids, I've seen situations like that many times, and I think it was one of the most realistic moments in movies. It wasn't about turning good, it was about following that same honor code which he had been following all along: "When the other guy has earned your respect, you need to demonstrate it. Until he does, treat him like a dog."
There usually isn't an honor code in the life of sleazy adults like the coach. So yeah I can see the coach going the way he did. It wasn't unrealistic, just something what we aren't used to. -
quangjle — 9 years ago(August 16, 2016 10:53 PM)
I normally would not agree with this. But I have to, from personal experience. I had a bully in grade school. And him and his group of friends would bully me, even at dances. But one day in grade 6, leaving school, they came up to me, and I lost it on the main bully, and fought him and got him to the ground and pummeled him. After that he did not bother me. Weeks later, we were in a group together, and he talked about something unrelated to the project, and to the other kids said, he and I were both similar in strength. He never bothered me again, and we were on good terms from then on out. It's an animal kingdom. It sounds cheesy, but if you can show you are not weak, you will gain respect.
ps. Last I heard he was in a gang and is a drug dealer and was a body builder, I would not try to mess with him now. -
jsn_hylnd — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 06:10 PM)
Lol well someone needs to watch the film again, Kreese is the main villain buddy, just because Johnny had more screen time and he fights the big tourney doesn't make him more of a villain than Kreese, Kreese was the teacher.
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SilverGameDog — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 06:39 PM)
Oops sorry I hit the submit button too soon and cant delete it.
The villain of a story is the one that's against the protagonist. In this case it's Daniel.
So if you were to ask the character Daniel Laruso who he views as HIS villain who do you think he would say?
The teacher at the karate school? The guy he met once briefly?
No way. He would say it's Johnny!
Johnny used to be Ali's boyfriend and he's angry that now she's with Daniel.
Johnny humiliated Daniel in front of Ali and all his new friends in the beach.
Johnny ran Daniel off the road nearly killing him and wrecking his bike
Johnny beat up Daniel super badly and may have nearly killed him if Miyagi hadn't stepped in. Hell even Johnnys friends were telling him to stop hurting Daniel "Johnny leave him alone man he's had enough!"
I can't believe that you could believe anyone other than Johnny is the villain if the film.
Now Karate Kid part 3? Kreese is definitely the villain in that. -
wears-alan — 9 years ago(September 11, 2016 02:20 AM)
I get what you are saying, but no, Kreese is the main villain. Johnny is Daniels nemesis. The man pulling the strings (apparently) and making Johnny the way he is, is Kreese. Hence 'no mercy', 'out of commission' and 'sweep the leg'.
If those pen pushers up at city hall don't like it,well, they swivel on this middle digit! -
creatorof2002 — 9 years ago(May 24, 2016 06:42 PM)
Mike Barns sure did not do anything to show such good sportsmanship in KK3. I think it would have been cool if Johnny had been in a sequel but as a good guy and a friend of Daniel and Mayagi.
If he had managed to win (if the Crane Kick had failed) I think he STILL would have congratulated Daniel. Daniel no longer had to worry about the bullying once he faced Johnny because he still would have won 2nd place and bullying only works if you are WAY tougher than your opponent. If you are only a little bit tougher the bullying does not really work. Facing Johnny if the fight had happened early in the tournament would not have saved him from the bullying necessarily but he had to beat several people some of them being other kobra kais to get to the final match so just getting there would have ended the bullying problem.
In fact even if his leg could not be fixed he would have been awarded 2nd place. I almost think Mayagi made a major error in judgement allowing Daniel to finish the match because being already broken there is a danger that his leg could suffer permanent damage. -
wears-alan — 9 years ago(May 25, 2016 12:34 AM)
Well just to be clear here, his leg was not broken. It was a muscular injury which Miyagi relieved ( a bit unrealistically) by performing a form of acupressure.
Miyagi said Daniel had already achieved all that was necessary, but as Daniel pointed out if he lost in this way then the bullies still won. This is why Miyagi helps him take place in the final. Not necessarily to win but to face his nemesis Johnny Mano a Mano.
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Heretic_Of_Jeff_Bezos — 9 years ago(May 31, 2016 12:20 PM)
Johnny clearly wasn't thinking straight after Daniel illegally punched him in the back of the head in round two.
The Crane Kick was also an illegal move as it was a direct strike to the head. It is a tragedy that the once prestigious All Valley Karate Tournament was won by someone blatantly cheating and who technically wasn't eligible.
I am the prophet of the IMDb Mod Gods. They act when I call. -
wears-alan — 9 years ago(June 01, 2016 12:22 AM)
Johnny clearly wasn't thinking straight after Daniel illegally punched him in the back of the head in round two
Illegally? Really? Guess they must have changed the rules.
The Crane Kick was also an illegal move as it was a direct strike to the head.
You mean like the kick Johnny delivered right to Daniels head that the referee scores? Why is one kick legal and the other not? Oh that's right, because you say so.
t is a tragedy that the once prestigious All Valley Karate Tournament was won by someone blatantly cheating and who technically wasn't eligible.
No, the tragedy here is any uninformed person can come on here and make things up and the rest of the chimps in the gang believe it.
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lishak-c — 9 years ago(June 18, 2016 12:57 AM)
I would think that Johnny gained a lot of respect for Daniel as I would because he turned it all around from a kid who is bullied to actually winning the event. Johnny may not have ended up Daniel friend as like Ali not on his wave length. But he will have respect for him now
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tyson6633 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 03:22 PM)
I agree 100% Very underrated scene.
"You're all right, LaRusso! Good match!"
Would've been cool to see Johnny team up with Daniel against Barnes in part III, but then I think it would've been way too similar to Rocky and Apollo being friends in Rocky III.
shrug"I learned that in prison, you like? You white trash piece-a sht."
