Is Jesse Gay?
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Duragizer — 13 years ago(March 13, 2013 06:16 PM)
he went into a gay bar all on his own
The problem with using this as evidence to support Jesse as a homosexual is that we don't have access into his mind, so we can't know why he went to that bar. Did he know it was a gay bar? (I don't recall any overt indications that it was until Schneider showed up) Even if he did know it was, we can't know if he went there hoping to pick up a lover; he may have subconsciously went there hoping to find Schneider, seeking to direct Freedy's murderous impulses away from a loved one and onto a figure he disliked.
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TonyC4444 — 10 years ago(June 09, 2015 06:10 AM)
Sorry I know you wrote this a LONG time ago but I completly forgot about this thread and just saw this.
Most boys, teenage boys sneaking out to go to a bar, would walk into a Gay bar see everything going on and walk right back out. They wouldn't hang out till they get caught by their gay coach. I don't know that he necessarily went there looking for a lover, but he may have been just curious enough to check it out. I certainly see that as a possibility.
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mrdisorder — 10 years ago(August 28, 2015 06:55 PM)
Was it specifically a gay bar or just a fetish bar?
But yeah, my friend showed me this last night and said it was the gayest of the Nightmare movies so I went into the movie with this in mind.
So let's list off the gay components of this.- The cleaning the room scene, obviously.
- The gym teacher getting killed with his pants down in the shower. And as another user pointed out, he was attacked with BALLS.
- The whole "man inside of Jesse" thing.
- The most physically intimate scene between Jesse and his gf results in Jesse running away, spending the night at his shirtless friend's house (who appears to have leather sheets), and penetrating him in the middle of the night.
- Every victim that is penetrated is male, except at the very end. However, at this point Freddy is outside of Jesse.
Good movie
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crankyerma1984 — 12 years ago(April 10, 2013 02:55 PM)
I love how so many people are in obvious denial about this film. This was just about the most (possibly unintentionally) homoerotic horror film of all time. If you have doubts about it, that's your own personal prejudices coloring your view. Watch the documentary "Never Sleep Again." Everyone interviewed about the film says that whether or not it was intentional, the end result is probably the gayest major release horror film in history.
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michaeluk26 — 12 years ago(June 03, 2013 10:34 PM)
Yep. In fairness though ALL of the IMDb boards have the same topic posted over and over. Sadly this underrated horror movie only has the "gay" angle working for it and is the main reason the movie is still talked about. I loved it simply because I like Freddy dark and evil and he was at his most evil here, his makeup was amazing as well. People say it broke the rules while ignoring that the first film broke its own rules more than once. They wanted to go in a different angle for the sequel and it was a lesson learned on what NOT to do with Freddy, like having him using a human avatar when he is God in the dream world.
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jlgreenlee — 12 years ago(June 23, 2013 07:04 PM)
I think the movie is better than its reputation. And I agree with you, that even though it is criticized for breaking the rules, they were still coming up with the rules! Freddy did come out in the real world in part 1, arguably, so it wasn't a huge stretch. And they did a great job of keeping the same vibe from the first film. It's no masterpiece, but it's leagues ahead of Freddy's Dead.
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michaeluk26 — 12 years ago(June 23, 2013 09:26 PM)
I feel its better than its reputation too. I think the fact its sandwiched in between the masterpiece of the original and the Dream Warriors, which is the fan favorite, helps to diminish it a little bit.
Exactly about the rules. The end of the original left you questioning whether everything was just a dream, or was Freddy in the real world or was it a combination of both? Part 2 took the next logical step from that mess. I agree VERY MUCH that it kept the vibe of the first film and I argue that it was the ONLY sequel, aside from New Nightmare, that even had the same vibe of the original. Its was still dark and tense and scary. Part 3 brought the comedy of Freddy into the series, which I did not care for, but a lot of people like.
Great post!
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TonyC4444 — 10 years ago(June 09, 2015 06:15 AM)
When I was younger I didn't care for this movie at all because it strayed so far from what Freddy was in the original. As I've gotten older though I've come to love it simply because it's the last time he dark and scary through out it. And it's actually a smart script overall. The whole him wanting to come into the real world is what I didn't and still don't like. Doesn't make any sense at all for his character.
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ScorpionTDC — 12 years ago(August 02, 2013 02:00 PM)
Obviously
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wallacesawyer — 12 years ago(September 21, 2013 03:28 PM)
Love for Lisa is supposed to be what makes Jesse strong enough to resist Freddy. I doubt it would've been the same with the power of girl BFF.
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melco92 — 12 years ago(October 02, 2013 07:08 AM)
This movie is full of homoerotic symbolism. Maybe the filmmakers didn't mean to make it that way, but that's what they got.
First let's look at that gay bar scene. We can even take this as a dream sequence. Thus, he's dreaming of being in a gay bar. Simple enough. Now let's examine the locker room scene. Jesse and the coach have just come from a gay bar, where perhaps they did some gay stuff. This is represented by Freddy, acting as Jesse's gay alter-ego, appearing for the first time outside of the dream wold. Jesse, prompted by his shame and disgust about what's just happened, kills his coach, who he has just had his first homosexual experience with.
Then there's Lisa. She's very supportive and understanding. She tries to help Jesse understand his sexuality, even letting him use her to see if a woman does anything for him (this is the make out scene in the poolhouse). Turns out he can't stand to touch her, so he runs away.
In the end, Freddy (again, Jesse's gay salf) appears to have completely taken over (after some kind of "incident" with Grady) but Lisa attempts to turn him from this lifestyle, so she kisses him. And it works. But in the final scene Jesse realizes that he'll never really be attracted to women. This is evidenced by Lisa's girl friend, when a claw comes out of her chest. Not exactly a turn on.
One other thing is Jesse's appearance in all the dream sequences. He doesn't looks the same as he does in the "real life" parts of the movie. He looks like he's wearing some kind of dark eyeliner, similar to metro/gay men.
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norman-dostal — 12 years ago(October 24, 2013 03:34 PM)
the movie is VERY gay, but the bar isn't really a gay bar. Earlier in the movie, Grady calls it a gay S&M bar, but when we see it-more than half of the patrons are women. No gay bar has more than 5% girls in it.