Thoughts On Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
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cjh8504 — 9 years ago(December 15, 2016 05:03 PM)
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RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn -
Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(December 15, 2016 11:25 AM)
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No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed -
Blue Wave — 3 years ago(April 11, 2022 05:18 AM)
DS9 was awesome with a great Captain in Sisko to a great ship in the Defiant to an original security Chief in Odo to a great alien ally in Kira to wonderful aliens from the Cardiassions to the Dominion to the Breen. It worked wonderfully.
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WyldeGoose — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 05:41 PM)
Deep Space Nine is arguably the better series than TNG, because of the character interplay involved, with lots of internal conflicts between just about everyone. But, at the same time, it is a soap opera, with a lot of time talking about feelings than actually doing things, especially in character-focused episodes. I'm not one for soaps, and while I generally liked DS9, it is better, in my opinion, than the new version of Battlestar Galactica, which I tuned out sometime around season 2 when it was airing (but I caught up with the rest thanks to Netflix).
DS9 has two of the best characters in all Star Trek in it - Quark and Sisko. For that reason I was able to keep along with DS9 during the 90s. -
WyldeGoose — 9 years ago(November 08, 2016 12:16 PM)
Quark and Sisko were outstanding characters, mainly because of each actors' performances (they had tremendous screen presence) and they were interesting. Garak was awesome too, and I list him as one of the best characters the franchise ever had. They offered interesting perspectives and passion that we often didn't get from TNG, because they had something to work off of, namely their own agendas and their own approaches to handling problems.
Quark is especially interesting because he's the face of the ordinary civilian who's just working to make a living in the galaxy. Further, he made the Ferengi less monolithic, more interesting than merely a bunch of aliens who wear a certain hat. His conflicts with Odo are priceless; he's a bit of a scoundrel and he loves it, because it's part of how he does business.
Even in his moments where he was put out of his element, such as the time where he's made the head of a Klingon House (the House of Quark), he's interesting. While I thought it was a bit ham-handed, at least it was a risk and I appreciate that.
Sisko is the second best captain in the franchise because Sisko is not Picard. That's a little bit trite, but from the moment we meet him we are shown that here is a man who is put in his position not because he wanted it, but because they, meaning Starfleet, wanted to get him out of their hair (or lack thereof) by posting him somewhere that he could do what they thought was a rather mundane job but at the same time his abrasiveness would be handy when dealing with Cardassians and Klingons. He says what he thinks and he doesn't put up with crap from anyone, including Q, who he knocked on his ass. Samuel L. Jackson could've played Sisko marvelously, but Avery Brooks brought a presence perhaps more in line with the character as was necessary, without being over-indulgent. Picard was not the kind of man for the job of running DS9; while he might've done well, he represents a peculiar mindset guided by political correctness that is more appropriate for the Flagship of the Federation. Sisko shows us a character that has to do the grunt-work of Starfleet, that's perhaps less glamourous but all the more necessary in order to preserve the Federation itself, the kind of stuff you'd never see the Enterprise-D ever doing. -
Hank_McCoy — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 04:46 PM)
The Feringi were not wearing hats, those were their ears.
Quark was a good character but almost all of his episodes were terrible. I would have liked one of his crime stories to have been less tongue in cheek.
Oh, My stars and garters! -
WyldeGoose — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 10:21 PM)
The Feringi were not wearing hats, those were their ears.
When I said that they were aliens that wear a certain hat, that's writer-speak for how a group of people are generally portrayed in a very monolithic way. The Vulcans, for instance, wear the pure-intellectual hat; the Klingons wear the pure-warrior hat; the Ferengi wear the greedy-capitalist hat. I'm not one to say that this is really all that bad, especially if you're making a space opera and you have bigger stories to tell than to delve into the nuances of every nation.
With Quark, though, you might think all his episodes are terrible, but that's a bit unfair. Even if you didn't much care for all the Ferengi political stuff, Little Green Men was enjoyable, and even that opened a window into Ferengi outlook and mindset. What Quark, Rom, and Nog accomplished for Star Trek was to make the Ferengi less stupid, more cunning, and we get a sense of their culture in a much bigger way that goes beyond cheap characteristics. -
Hank_McCoy — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 04:36 PM)
When I said that they were aliens that wear a certain hat, that's writer-speak for how a group of people are generally portrayed in a very monolithic way. The Vulcans, for instance, wear the pure-intellectual hat; the Klingons wear the pure-warrior hat; the Ferengi wear the greedy-capitalist hat. I'm not one to say that this is really all that bad, especially if you're making a space opera and you have bigger stories to tell than to delve into the nuances of every nation.
You don't really understand humor, do you?
Little Green Men
was a great episode, my favorite of the Feringi focused episodes. Having Quark as a regular gave the writers a chance to create a real character rather than a stereotypical character to be used as a plot device.
You are right in that it would take too much time to flesh out characters from every race they meet. The monolithic nature of most races is the only thing that is going to work on episodic television.
Oh, My stars and garters! -
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Inspector81 — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 11:53 PM)
During the 30th anniversary of Star Trek in 1996, Deep Space Nine and Voyager both ran special episodes celebrating the anniversary.
Voyager showed "Flashback" which incorporated Tuvok on the USS Excelsior with Sulu and Rand during the events of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. The episode shows what the Excelsior's crew was doing when it was not on screen during the film.
Deep Space Nine showed "Trials and Tribble-ations" which had the USS Defiant going back in time and the DS9 crew interacting with the actual events of The Original Series episode "Trouble with Tribbles." It was done Forrest Gump style and was one of the best episodes of DS9. You want to watch the Tribble episodes back to back with TOS first and then DS9 second, they're both awesome and fun to watch. Charlie Brill plays the same character in both 29 years apart.