Was the mother wrong to disown him after his emotional outburst
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 08:41 PM)
I maybe misunderstood your argument and thought you were defending the concept of any belief system supporting disowning your child.
But I do think you are being hypocritical in terms of deciding right and wrong As am I, as was the poster who called her a btch, as perhaps was the aforementioned individual.
And perhaps we are arguing different things. I'm arguing that no matter your beliefs, you shouldn't disown your child, because there is no belief system where that's okay
Perhaps I'm not being respectful but I should be able to be honest and I will continue to be
And yes, I am an ashole and I am fully aware. I know that calling people's religion a cult is an as*hole move but under the circumstances of the argument, I don't think I'm any more wrong in doing so than anyone who supports the disowning of one's son.
But I digress You are being a hypocrite, I'm sorry but it's true. I'm being a hypocrite as well and likewise with other fellows. Regardless, I don't think that reflects my analytical ability, because there is nothing wrong with my analytical ability.
Nothing is being solved by arguing and neither of us is going to make the other change their minds so perhaps we can be gentlemen and end the debate.
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 08:52 PM)
As I said, if you had told me "I don't think any belief system should support disowning a child", that's an opinion I can respect and even share, but why should I blame a christian mother for doing what she did? They are 100% convinced that God exists, it doesn't matter what we believe, and when her own child is insulting He who, according to their beliefs, gave us everything we have on life, including life itself, well, let me just say that I perfectly understand why she would disown him, even if I don't believe in what she's doing. I still can't agree that I'm being a hypocrite, since my defensive position wasn't an answer to you disagreement with the mother or me, but rather because you and the other poster started your argument with insults. But it's okay, let's just put an end to this argument, although I think we understood each other rather well on these last posts.
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eddieinportland — 13 years ago(April 26, 2012 07:34 PM)
Yes his mother was wrong in disowning him. She rasied her kids with good christain values. She wanted Ron to go to confession for having a Playboy. When Ron joined the Marines and was going to Vietnam. She told him it was God's will that he was going. When he returned as a cripple. Was that God's will?
As Ron pointed out to her in his drunk outburst. She raised him with christain values. But she had no problem with him going of to a far away land and kill people. Is that good christain values? If she rasied Ron with christain values, then she should have told him that fighting in a war is against his christain upbringing.
I kind of got the feeling that she had wished that Ronnie was killed in battle and not come home as a cripple. Then she could have said that Ronnie died as a good christain doing God's will. But the lord sent her son home. And everyday she would have to look at him and see what the lord did to him. I also kind of got the feeling that Ronnie's mother looked at him as a dirty secret the family should hide. After all his mother knew that her son had killed other people. But she didn't want to hear about it.
Hell the parents of the Marine that Ron killed were more loving, caring and understanding of Ronnie then his mother was. Ron was telling them that he killed their son. And the father told Ron that he didn't have to say what he was saying, and he forgave Ronnie.
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sonofbeach-sheet — 13 years ago(May 05, 2012 11:26 AM)
I just remembered also when Ron was returning home, his mother looked outside the window at him in disappointment, but then she put on a show a minute later when she came out to welcome him home
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isundling — 13 years ago(June 10, 2012 02:31 PM)
Take away the religion, and there was still such a generation gap about that war..all the wars the US had fought in before, we were the good guys and we won those warsVietnam was a terrible mistake, and all those young men and women died for nothingthe other night I watched a doc on the last days of Vietnam, and the helicopter leaving all those people behind, the ones the army had hired as translators, spies, and embassy help, certain torture and death ahead.so sad..
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TC-LeonK — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 10:16 PM)
Ron's mother was ashamed of him for not being able to return to Vietnam due to his paralysis, she also didn't show maternal love towards him when he was in the hospital knowing that he needed his family to be by his side. She was a hypocrite for preaching about God when she didn't mind having her child going to a distant country and kill other people's children.
It was good that Ron had lashed out at his mother for her strict religious beliefs that cost him his legs and manhood. His drunken tantrum was a cry for help, his father was the only one who cared for him.
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TC-LeonK — 13 years ago(July 10, 2012 10:38 AM)
When Ron returned home, his mother was the last person to greet him and kept looking at the neighbors to see their reaction. She didn't look like the type of a caring and concerned mother.
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Verdugo85 — 13 years ago(July 18, 2012 06:29 AM)
Ron's mother was a total b!tch! she shouldnt tell her son "to leave the house" "I dont want you here anymore" "you cannot drink in this house anymore" she was totally wrong and ignorant for dodging the truth.
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Kimrubymoon — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 12:50 AM)
The Muslims try to force their views on us, but yet someone like you probably thinks they are a wonderful group, right? Christians (at least in today's world) are not FORCING anything to anyone. I couldn't have given a beep about Muslims or what they wanted to believe.they weren't even on my radar until they attacked the USA. Then we try (not well enough, however) to pull out the whip ass on them and WE'RE the bad people?! Please. I realize this post is not about the current situation with the Middle East, but there are similarities. Therefore I'm guessing you support more of the scum sucking maggot Moslems coming to the U.S. - all for the sake of honoring their beliefs?!?! I'll keep my conservative values..and my guns, and my freedom, thank you. And I reject this liberal thought that I'm a bad outdated person to care about myself, my loved ones, and MY country FIRST before I care about refugees or their terrorist ideals.
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 13 years ago(September 02, 2012 02:39 PM)
For crying out loud, not another stupid atheist without the ability to understand that others simply don't share his beliefs. Shut the fck up already. It's not like he was a kid at all. He was an adult. A very annoying and beep up adult. As others here have said, even without the religion aspect, anyone would've kicked his ass out of the house.
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Shawclan5-179-721508 — 13 years ago(August 08, 2012 10:22 AM)
actually not so muchif she places christian values over her own biological offspringthen yes she is in fact a bitc*but anyway I think religion had little to do with the situationif anythingwhen you have a drunk screaming at night in your houseit is frightening and can cut into your sleep which can be badplus the wheelchair guy was obviously taking out alot of his frustration on his mother unfairlythis all was the reason for her kicking him outi think that it is understandable for her to kick him out in that situation
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 13 years ago(August 08, 2012 01:57 PM)
You will never win in this conversation. For people who don't believe in God, she will always be a bitch, but you won't convince religious people that even your own son is or should be more for you than God. According to them, God is your creator and that's it. You will never win here, because this is a matter of differing beliefs and values, not a matter of facts. In the same way you won't convince people who believe in Karma that such nonsense doesn't exist.
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geoffrey-jackson — 13 years ago(September 06, 2012 10:51 PM)
Goodness, what a heated thread. Just like the scene.
Basically I looked on both Ron and his mother as having a nervous breakdown.
His mother was a strict Catholic and the house was a strict Catholic household. His mother was strict in general. She chided some kid for having a firecracker at the parade early in the movie.
Ron was angry and the drinking was getting to him. The whole Vietnam experience was festering inside him. He hated the world.
Getting back to the original post, I suppose Ron's mother was concerned about Ron being detrimental to the household. Ron probably thought the household was detrimental to him. Ron's father could probably see both and calmly/sadly suggested to Ron that he go to Mexico.
Ron going to Mexico was a good move all around. He was able to behave as a mature adult as opposed to being a child. That is where he confronted what was really resting heavily on his conscience.
No, I don't think Ron reunited with his family.