Was the mother wrong to disown him after his emotional outburst
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TC-LeonK — 13 years ago(July 10, 2012 10:38 AM)
When Ron returned home, his mother was the last person to greet him and kept looking at the neighbors to see their reaction. She didn't look like the type of a caring and concerned mother.
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Verdugo85 — 13 years ago(July 18, 2012 06:29 AM)
Ron's mother was a total b!tch! she shouldnt tell her son "to leave the house" "I dont want you here anymore" "you cannot drink in this house anymore" she was totally wrong and ignorant for dodging the truth.
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Kimrubymoon — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 12:50 AM)
The Muslims try to force their views on us, but yet someone like you probably thinks they are a wonderful group, right? Christians (at least in today's world) are not FORCING anything to anyone. I couldn't have given a beep about Muslims or what they wanted to believe.they weren't even on my radar until they attacked the USA. Then we try (not well enough, however) to pull out the whip ass on them and WE'RE the bad people?! Please. I realize this post is not about the current situation with the Middle East, but there are similarities. Therefore I'm guessing you support more of the scum sucking maggot Moslems coming to the U.S. - all for the sake of honoring their beliefs?!?! I'll keep my conservative values..and my guns, and my freedom, thank you. And I reject this liberal thought that I'm a bad outdated person to care about myself, my loved ones, and MY country FIRST before I care about refugees or their terrorist ideals.
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 13 years ago(September 02, 2012 02:39 PM)
For crying out loud, not another stupid atheist without the ability to understand that others simply don't share his beliefs. Shut the fck up already. It's not like he was a kid at all. He was an adult. A very annoying and beep up adult. As others here have said, even without the religion aspect, anyone would've kicked his ass out of the house.
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Shawclan5-179-721508 — 13 years ago(August 08, 2012 10:22 AM)
actually not so muchif she places christian values over her own biological offspringthen yes she is in fact a bitc*but anyway I think religion had little to do with the situationif anythingwhen you have a drunk screaming at night in your houseit is frightening and can cut into your sleep which can be badplus the wheelchair guy was obviously taking out alot of his frustration on his mother unfairlythis all was the reason for her kicking him outi think that it is understandable for her to kick him out in that situation
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 13 years ago(August 08, 2012 01:57 PM)
You will never win in this conversation. For people who don't believe in God, she will always be a bitch, but you won't convince religious people that even your own son is or should be more for you than God. According to them, God is your creator and that's it. You will never win here, because this is a matter of differing beliefs and values, not a matter of facts. In the same way you won't convince people who believe in Karma that such nonsense doesn't exist.
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geoffrey-jackson — 13 years ago(September 06, 2012 10:51 PM)
Goodness, what a heated thread. Just like the scene.
Basically I looked on both Ron and his mother as having a nervous breakdown.
His mother was a strict Catholic and the house was a strict Catholic household. His mother was strict in general. She chided some kid for having a firecracker at the parade early in the movie.
Ron was angry and the drinking was getting to him. The whole Vietnam experience was festering inside him. He hated the world.
Getting back to the original post, I suppose Ron's mother was concerned about Ron being detrimental to the household. Ron probably thought the household was detrimental to him. Ron's father could probably see both and calmly/sadly suggested to Ron that he go to Mexico.
Ron going to Mexico was a good move all around. He was able to behave as a mature adult as opposed to being a child. That is where he confronted what was really resting heavily on his conscience.
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TC-LeonK — 13 years ago(October 08, 2012 12:06 PM)
"For crying out loud, not another stupid atheist without the ability to understand that others simply don't share his beliefs. Shut the fck up already. It's not like he was a kid at all. He was an adult. A very annoying and beep up adult. As others here have said, even without the religion aspect, anyone would've kicked his ass out of the house."
So you're saying the religious mother was right for kicking her son out of the house because he's an alcoholic?
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Londonlad2001221 — 13 years ago(November 30, 2012 04:46 PM)
I just thought of this, Could the mother have blamed herself? I mean throughout Rons life he was the number one son in her eyes, Put too much pressure on him, Because earlier in the film, She said something about having a dream and he would do something important, Could pushing him to succeed in her eyes resulted in him being in that wheelchair?
And her way of dealing with it was basically the same as
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Kimrubymoon — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 01:13 AM)
Absolutely. The whole family was psychologically beep up from the trauma of it all. If she loved him at all, she may have very well blamed herself. The mother would be my grandparents generation age and yes, I think that generation (in their minds) took responsibility for whatever their children did - well into adulthood even. Like I said on another threadthat family needed a lot of counseling that they just didn't get. People didn't seek that out then (even if it HAD been an option) no one talked about it (whatever IT was in any given family) everything was pushed under the rug. I watched all my grandparents do itand their friends and siblings. If they had a troubled kid (even if that kid was 20' 30, or 40+) they would just ignore the behavior and I can see one of those elders I knew throwing one of their kids out if they had a problem they couldn't fix. Classic projection.
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Kimrubymoon — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 01:01 AM)
But doesn't God or the bible teach you to love your family? To me, if anyone would put some religion above their own child then why have children? Why not just become a nun and then give your life to God? I'm not disputing you, DracTarashV, I agree that people are like that but how awful for Ron. Really, they all needed family counseling and ALOT of helpbut sadly that was not afforded to the Vietnam vets. I've had some things in my life and I can't even imagine that level of PTSD and emptiness he and other vets must have felt. Especially those who were that injured. He had the double whammy: psychological AND physical problems that to most of us would be insurmountable. Heartbreaking.
