The Mickey Mouse joke says a lot
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TheButlerDidItYes — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 09:30 PM)
I don't understand what's so terrible about the Mickey Mouse joke in the movie. The point the butler was trying to make was that he couldn't believe that Indy was a Scottish lord. It was as absurd as the butler claiming to be Mickey Mouse would be. I don't see the problem.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:53 AM)
The Mickey Mouse joke was a huge problem because it basically summarized the tone of this film and that it was a campy kiddie adventure. Just look at the first two movies, they were mature, dark and gritty you'd never imagine that anyone would insert Mickey Mouse humor in this franchise. It's blatantly obvious why Spielberg made the movie the way he did, there were too many complaints from parents that Temple was too scary for kids so he pussed out and made a movie for toddlers and pre-schoolers.
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Ma_MaMia — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 10:41 AM)
Just look at the first two movies, they were mature, dark and gritty
Willie on the elephant the wrong way around whining, Indy running around with hot feet shouting "water!", Short Round beating up the thuggess, mallet on the head, Willie and Short Round acting out Indy's punches, supposedly weak child slaves overcoming their captors
Real mature, dark and gritty stuff right there -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 10:48 AM)
That was one dumb moment in Temple (and yes Temple was far from perfect but it was still good), the entire second half of the film makes up for that. The difference here is that kind of humor lasted the entirety of Last Crusade only in Last Crusade they managed to make it even more bland and painful to listen to.
Also I think it's pretty obvious that Spielberg made the beginning of Temple so campy because he was trying to mislead the audience as to what kind of movie he was making, he wanted to shock them once Indy got into the Temple and they realized how dark and sadistic it really was.
Make no mistake though, Raiders and Temple were for adults, Last Crusade was for toddlers.
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Ma_MaMia — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 11:43 AM)
it's pretty obvious Spileberg made the begininning of Temple so campy because he was trying to mislead the audience as to what kind of movie he was making
Erm, the movie becomes campy again after Indy comes out of his possession.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 11:47 AM)
You have a strange definition of camp, Indy still is tortured by a voodoo doll, gets into a bare knuckles fist fight with a Thuggee twice his size, he has one of the most iconic and badass moments of the entire series (when he frees the kids) and he cuts a rope bridge that he, Short Round and Willie are currently on.
Temple did have a little too much slapstick but it was nothing compared with Last Crusade. Last Crusade is kind of like Spaceballs, the plot of the movie doesn't really matter as long as you laugh along the way, the only difference is Spaceballs was actually funny.
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Ma_MaMia — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 12:07 PM)
You have a strange definition of camp
Not at all. Short Round going 3 ninjas on the thuggees, the weak child slaves overcoming the "tough" thuggees, Willie surviving being a few feet away from lava without the cage even been hot, Indy running around with hot feet, Short Round and Willie acting out Indy's punches, the water reaching the end of the cave despite all the caverns and lava pits.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 05:56 PM)
And it's combined with dark, mature and sadistic subject matters such as voodoo, child slavery, black magic, etc. Temple was about 80% mature subject matter, 20% camp, Last Crusade was pretty much 100% camp with things like speeches about bedtime stories, sequences where the hero and the villain become good friends, Mickey Mouse jokes, etc.
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Ma_MaMia — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 02:40 PM)
Black magic and voodoo are dark and mature?
All fantasy unlike Nazi dictatorship which is shown in Last Crusade. A very REAL dark period in history.
speeches about bedtime stories
That trumps little kids clapping and cheering as the hero kisses the woman.
sequences where the hero and the villain become good friends
Sequences? Are you talking about the Arab in that ONE sequence?
To him, Indy was the villain and Indy wanted to know where his dad was. Explain to me though why Indy tried to save the life of that big thuggee from the crusher? This is a guy who in Raiders shoots the swordsman and lets the big German get chopped up but for some reason he tries to save this child slave holder who has tried to kill him? And instead of shooting the thuggees in the mine cart chase with the rifle he tries to hit them with it?
At least in Last Crusade he was just shooting the villains without a second thought like he did in Raiders.
Mickey Mouse jokes
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 03:00 PM)
Black magic and voodoo are dark and mature?
Yes they are especially when you are comparing them to bedtime stories and Mickey Mouse jokes.
All fantasy unlike Nazi dictatorship which is shown in Last Crusade. A very REAL dark period in history.
Yet the entire thing was light, campy and played for laughs. I did not feel the least bit threatened by these Nazis because they were poorly acted, poorly written and completely comical because the pre-schoolers needed something to laugh at.
That trumps little kids clapping and cheering as the hero kisses the woman.
They both saved them from a Temple of Doom, why wouldn't they cheer?
Sequences? Are you talking about the Arab in that ONE sequence?
Yeah after surviving what was probably the worst boat chase I have ever seen they are all of a sudden good friends after trying to kill each other. Reminded me a lot of Batman and Robin when Mr. Freeze and Batman became friends at the end, or in Moonraker where Jaws and Bond became friends at the end. Totally stupid.
Explain to me though why Indy tried to save the life of that big thuggee from the crusher?
Because that was such a brutal death he wasn't even going to allow his worst enemy to be killed that way. It's called a character arc, after seeing the horrors of what those children were undergoing Indy became less ruthless.
And instead of shooting the thuggees in the mine cart chase with the rifle he tries to hit them with it?
It's a rifle and they were really close to each other, he wasn't able to turn it around and shoot them. Hitting them with it was his best option.
There was ONE.
And it was beyond horrible, that line was meant to be "Jesse Owens" and that would have almost saved that scene but Spielberg changed it because children wouldn't understand it. the Indy franchise was not a children's franchise after the first two movies, Spielberg pussed out and made a kiddie film because Temple got too much criticism for it's violence.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 13, 2016 12:04 AM)
And it was beyond horrible, that line was meant to be "Jesse Owens" and that would have almost saved that scene but Spielberg changed it because children wouldn't understand it. the Indy franchise was not a children's franchise after the first two movies, Spielberg pussed out and made a kiddie film because Temple got too much criticism for it's violence.
Okay explain to me something hippo. You gave me all this flak about complaining about the fight choreography in TDKR yet it is perfectly fine for you to drone on and on about a Mickey Mouse joke. I will say what you said to me it was a small segment in the film therefore you are nitpicking. Besides it is your opinion that the joke is bad. You can not prove that it is bad therefore only your opinion hippo. -