Pretty bad movie
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Stratego — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 03:35 PM)
I'm just stating the facts, and besides, at least it had a better story and moral than Beauty and the Beast, you have to admit that much.
He doesn't HAVE to do anything. What is this bizarre obsession of yours that everyone should agree with your view of the world? And like the other poster said, leave BatB out of it. -
Durham_christine — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 01:50 AM)
Agreed, I'm tired of reading his Beauty and the Beast bashings. I've read them in other posts too.
I love both these movies. No need to bag one to prove the others good. They're both timeless classics -
otness_e — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 11:21 AM)
Multiple feminist/left-wing professors, actually: one female (and I uploaded the recordings of her. I didn't specifically have you in mind so much as a future blog post on DisneyWiki, but I'm MORE than willing to show you the lecture tapes if it at least gets you to understand: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/e02pmeur6q4yb/World_History_up_to_the_1500s The more incriminating one is I think around the time of March. I definitely know it was around the time of the mid-point of the semester.), several male. And actually, not even that, there was also what various sources on Wikipedia revealed from interviews and covering development regarding Beauty and the Beast and the agenda they pushed.
Don't believe me? Just read up on all these links, all of which were actually used as source material for Wikipedia:
*http://articles.mcall.com/1991-11-22/features/2825583_1_beast-s-castle-fairy-tale-madame-gabrielle;
*http://time.com/2798136/maleficent-beauty-beast-writer/; *http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1992-01-25/lifestyle/9201241028_1_linda-woolverton-belle-show-scripts;
*http://www.mouseplanet.com/8500/Linda_Woolverton_and_Belle;
*http://girlsincapes.com/2014/04/07/princess-evolution/; *https://web.archive.org/web/20111009063303/http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1991/11/17/just-the-way-walt-made-em.html;
*http://www.urj.ucf.edu/vol5issue2/dickens/essay.php; -
otness_e — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 05:04 PM)
You were talking ABOUT me, so I have more than a right to respond to that.
Also, the French analogy does not work because while there are some bad apples in French society, there have also been some good ones, while with Feminism today, they are mostly bad apples, and the only good ones are in the by now nearly forgotten Susan B. Anthony brand. And besides, the stuff I cited came from Woolverton and/or Katzenberg's mouth. -
Stratego — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 08:31 PM)
No, you don't have the right as you not being able to shut up is the whole problem.
The French analogy makes acually more sense because the characters are established as French, while no character in the movie is established as being the supposedly radical, men-hating feminist professor from your college.
NOW SHUT THE HELL UP!!! -
otness_e — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 11:23 AM)
You know, once upon a time, I actually did hold Beauty and the Beast up in high regard. But unfortunately, things happened, and if anything, I HATE the fact that I have to cite all the bad things that happened in that film, but unfortunately, I have to.
Also, I suggest you say the same thing to the likes of Taran Wanderer 2, since he basically makes it utterly obvious that he hates The Little Mermaid and Ariel especially. -
Durham_christine — 10 years ago(April 01, 2016 01:31 AM)
Hey you want to bag Beauty and the Beast? Go there and do it. This is the Little Mermaid board, not the anti B&tB board.
I think I speak for most people here by saying we are getting pretty tired of you turning EVERY topic you post into an essay what you think's wrong with B&tB. Ok we get it, you don't like it. Can you post something new for once? -
otness_e — 10 years ago(April 01, 2016 07:27 AM)
It's mainly as a response to dealing with particular fans who bag TLM in favor of either the original tale or well, you know. One of the more notorious examples was with this guy named Taran Wanderer 2, as he frequently bags TLM and does not offer any criticism of any kind to BATB, and even lies about Ariel's character, not to mention frequently ignores similar events that are arguably far worse than okay I'll stop. I get irritated at that.
I don't need to bag any other films just to prop up TLM. But I do think I have to make it a point to counter anyone who DOES bag TLM for BATB. -
jsele-38952 — 9 years ago(April 14, 2016 08:52 AM)
Joseph Sain
Incorrect. Beauty and the Beast had the better story, characterizations morals and visual appeal to the general public than The Little Mermaid. Furthermore, in 1989, the most successful film from both financial and critical point of view was Batman by Tim Burton. -
otness_e — 9 years ago(April 14, 2016 12:11 PM)
No, Beauty and the Beast DEFINITELY had a bad story (I and plenty of others can name a LOT of plotholes within the story, like how Beast's castle in the beginning seemed to take a day at best to get there, yet in The Mob Song, it's at best a couple of hours away, not to mention Belle getting there around the same amount of time as the latter based on dialogue from Mrs. Potts and the Beast, the exact timetable of the curse, the villagers not hearing about the Prince or the curse despite the forest being implied to have suffered through the curse, and all of that, or how Belle's actions for the first half of the film actually CONFLICTED with the moral of the tale, or how Chip managed to find and get that device to save Maurice and Belle despite the fact that it was still under a tarp and on a wagon, or how Belle apparently was superhuman in the times she saved Beast and Maurice, yet ended up doing something as stupid as exposing him to Gaston and the villagers instead of just knocking Gaston out and setting the paddywagon on fire. Don't get me started on the Gaston reprise, which is a huge plot problem in itself, as in real life, whoever does what Gaston did regarding the reprise would at the very least find their popularity decrease, if not find themselves arrested for conspiracy, blackmail, and false witness; they most certainly would not be cheered on even if they personally didn't like the guy he was doing that kind of act against.), characterizations (Belle behaved more like how you would expect Belle's wicked sisters to behave, NOT the protagonist of a true beauty coming from within tale [you want a good idea of an actual pure-of-heart protagonist of a true beauty comes from within tale and how they behave, look at Terra Branford here: https://youtu.be/UstFWEOt28Y], and the triplets do not demonstrate ANYTHING indicating inner ugliness DESPITE being her foils [in fact, ironically, they came far closer to actually MATCHING the original Belle in terms of overall demeanor even with their crushing on a jackal like Gaston], and most of the cast, Beast aside, probably the one good character in the film, were massive stereotypes), morals (Let's see, Belle essentially gets away with deliberately breaking Beast's rule, with absolutely NO hesitance on her part and nearly getting herself killed out of sheer stupidity, and wins a blame game with Beast without even ATTEMPTING to acknowledge she herself was ALSO at fault for what happened, Belle largely acted like a spoiled brat for most of the first night, and it also teaches you that it's perfectly alright to just sell out your friends just to get yourself out of a lam and nearly get them killed. Besides, I get pretty irritated when people insist true beauty comes from within and imply as this film did that only people who are ugly on the outside can be beautiful on the inside, considering the likes of Jean-Paul Sartre exploited this and basically gave hell to those girls back during the 20th century. I might as well point out that with the way Belle's bookworm status was depicted, she'd actually become gullible enough to backstab Adam by the time the French Revolution occurs. Also, Lumiere's womanizing is treated as being in a good light, certainly he's not called out for that behavior at all, not even by Belle, which essentially makes her dislike of Gaston somewhat hypocritical.), and even visual appeal (Honestly, most of the characters just didn't look good at all, Belle at times looked like she was wearing makeup, and the villagers just looked off many times). The Little Mermaid beats that out in every area, though I don't even need to be a fan of The Little Mermaid to tell how Beauty and the Beast was a very badly done film. Heck, I might as well point out that Linda Woolverton not only made that awful Maleficent movie, but she and Time Magazine made VERY clear that she reused elements of that movie into Maleficent.
Also, if The Little Mermaid wasn't even close to the most successful Disney film from both a financial and critical point of view, please explain how it even MANAGED to single-handedly save Disney from certain bankruptcy/corporate merging, which should be evident by how it actually managed to delay a video release of Black Cauldron which was just out of the door specifically because of how The Little Mermaid was a runaway hit. -
Stratego — 9 years ago(April 18, 2016 03:05 PM)
No, Beauty and the Beast DEFINITELY had a bad story
No, Beauty and the Beast DEFINITELY did NOT have a bad story.
like how Beast's castle in the beginning seemed to take a day at best to get there, yet in The Mob Song, it's at best a couple of hours away, not to mention Belle getting there around the same amount of time as the latter based on dialogue from Mrs. Potts and the Beast
I have explained to you a thousand times. Have you ever considered that Maurice left at the end of the day and arrived at the castle at night? So no, his journey did NOT take a day. Maurice also gets lost, so ofcourse he takes longer than the mob who's guided to the castle by the mirror. And ofcourse Belle gets there quicker, as Philippe went to the castle straightaway. Having found his way back to the village, he now knew where the castle was.
the villagers not hearing about the Prince or the curse despite the forest being implied to have suffered through the curse
Also explained to you a thousand times. The villagers could very well know about the existence of the prince, they just don't know he was cursed because they never went up to the castle and he never came down to the village. For all I know my next-door neighbour could've been turned into a beast, because we never socialize.
or how Chip managed to find and get that device to save Maurice and Belle despite the fact that it was still under a tarp and on a wagon,
How the hell do you know that nor Belle, nor Maurice, nor anybody else took the machine of the wagon?!
All other things you mention are NOT plotholes, but ridiculous expectations and interpretations based on your ridiculous views of the world.
I do NOT want a reply from you, I just want you to get all of this through your thick skull!