From the very beginning, it's made clear that the one thing Gil wants is to be the opposite of his father. Karen asks hi
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Kuato_and_George — 12 years ago(April 20, 2013 08:18 PM)
You're actually offended I asked you for a little depth behind your statement. Uptight much? Prick.
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Kuato_and_George — 12 years ago(April 21, 2013 11:56 AM)
Troubled, lol. I appreciate the concern. You're practically a saint.
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EightiesKid — 13 years ago(December 23, 2012 08:42 PM)
I don't think the movie itself was being pro-abortion at all since she has the baby in the end, just the opposite. They simply reflected how lots of couples feel in tough situations. Gil was already under lots of pressure, trying to be the best dad he could, when all 3 of their kids needed extra attention (especially Kevin), and the added stress of him quitting his job showed that it wasn't a good time for Karen to tell him she was pregnant.
I agree with previous posters, based on how he reacted ("lets have a dozen and pretend they're donuts!") you could tell he wanted her to have the abortion at the time being, but didn't want to actually say it and sound uncaring.
That's exactly what I love about this movie (and ones like it). Even though it's entertaining and has some funny parts, it really is more serious, and it makes you think by showing both sides of the issue.
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Gus-69 — 12 years ago(October 15, 2013 04:38 AM)
The film has such a pro-abortion agenda that in the ending about three or four babies are born, including the one whose termination was being discussed by the character.
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(November 17, 2014 02:25 PM)
I thought of it as Gil being caught off-guard, and not knowing HOW to react.
He had just lost his job, albeit he quit, but still. He'd lost a partnership he'd worked hard for, come home to find his wife is unplanned-pregnant.
He was a worry-wart to boot, and still reeling too from the problems with his son Kevin, daughter Taylor, and even the toddler Justin.
He didn't want to offend his wife either, he didn't know what to say.
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(November 17, 2014 02:27 PM)
And perhaps, part of him did want an abortion. I could understand his feeling this, even for just a brief time.
If the situation was reversed, and the wife wanted the abortion, would people be just as offended?
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
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al666940 — 10 years ago(December 24, 2015 03:50 PM)
Well it's not meant to be taken that way.
It's meant to show that Gill is:- a buck passer (he doesn't want to deal with that decision)
- doesn't want another kid, but REALLY doesn't want blood (figure of speech) on his hands, thus "it's YOUR choice" therefore he can walk away with a "clean" conscience ("Hey, YOU decided to have the abortion, don't guilt me about it").
And the wife clearly takes it that way, and chews him out for it.
Don't see any propaganda being pushed in our faces either way. If anything the movie is stating that it should be BOTH their choice, not just hers (men complain how they are cut out of the decision-making process, EXCEPT when it's inconvenient).
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bassman21 — 10 years ago(January 19, 2016 02:44 PM)
This was totally an 80s leftist movie. Back then republicans were usually the PC ones and above any crude humor. Now it's the democrats that are PC about everything. This movie would never be made today by leftist Hollywood. They wouldn't let the kids play with toy guns, use the language they did, mock school shootings, show a nude toddler, promote fatherhood and discourage single motherhood among other things.