Couldn't agreee more. Everyone is talking about experience but the Israeli's are probably heading for the top of the lea
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tmw1885 — 18 years ago(August 30, 2007 12:09 AM)
Just to clarify a few things
SAS did help Delta with some of the initial training that they set up, such as their room-clearing methods, cataloged in Charles Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" but by no means completely trained them. In terms of the secret nature of both groups, much like the SAS, Delta members who have been active in combat operations are not allowed to show their faces in any photos or videos, and (maybe like SAS??) are not allowed to divulge which unit they are part of, merely that they are assigned at Fort Bragg.
The unit in GI Jane did not exist, it was a fictional unit that combined members from different services together, with a focus on BUD/S (SEAL) training.
As far as I can tell, based on books by Andy McNabb (Former SAS, captured and tortured during Desert Storm) the SAS selection isnt markedly tougher than Delta's, although it probably is tougher than BUD/S (In reference to the 22nd SAS regiment's selection) due to their more selective nature.
As far as I am aware, the 160th SOAR is in a league of its own, and were the first to pioneer the methods used to fly low level at night with only NVGs.
While the SAS has more combat experience, due in large part to the "Troubles" in Ireland, I have to go with Delta because the SAS has never faced the odds that Delta and the rest of Task Force Ranger faced in Mogadishu and inflicted that ratio of casaulties (around 1000 killed to 19 killed)
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richimorton — 17 years ago(November 06, 2008 11:55 AM)
HMAS Sam : "butthe french beat the brittish.then things just became brittish again". Er..wowEr..When ? i mean , EVER ??? C'mon !
Perhaps you are referring to 1066 ? Still not a French victory as the Normans were infact settled Vikings or 'Norse' people , hence 'Nor mans' who were a scary bunch who probably have descendents in the SAS today .
Back to the point - nobody has mentioned that the SAS prevented WWIII (again?) during Operation Desert Storm . The Isrealis were on the brink of war due to Scud attacks (thus destroying the Coalition/Saudi support) and only - AND I MEAN ONLY - stepped back once they had been convinced that the Special Forces sent to deal with the problem were infact the SAS . How is that for a reputation ? Isreali's know who's best !
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apollorjc — 18 years ago(October 29, 2007 10:24 PM)
I'll try my best to keep this as short as i can and refrain from adding all the background info b/c many others here have done so and done it very well. I just want to add that US Navy SEALS, British SAS, The Aussies SASR, USD OP-Delta all are outstanding and if i was phjysically able to be in the military in any of those countries i would be honoured to join and be accepted by any one of these groups. They are all absolutely incredible at what they do-some better at one mission than the next but in the end i think they are all equal essentially. (i do an enormous amount of reading about Spec-Ops so i have some knowledge).
also, Commander Marcinko is a Legend and Hero in my eyes!
Thanks y'all. Hope nobody slams me for my opinions.
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marshall_plan02 — 11 years ago(September 23, 2014 11:20 AM)
Just to add to and/or clarify along with the aforementioned, SEALS are actually more parallel to the SBS (Special Boat Service), which is also the British equivalent of US Marine Force Recon since it is manned by select personnel of the Royal Marines.
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dubyahsrobotminion — 11 years ago(November 15, 2014 03:28 AM)
Do you realize the unevenness of your statement? SEALs compare to SBS and SBS compares to Marine Force Recon? In this case the entire statement is inaccurate.
SEAL scope compared to SBS scope is very different. SBS encompasses several units within US Naval Special Warfare to include SEAL Teams, SBTs and EOD. However SBS operate on a completely different scale and tempo. SBS can in no way be compared to Marine Force Recon. FORECONs scope is far more limited and specific than SBS. FORECON for instance have no organic boat capability aside from small inflatables like CRRC.
SBS selection is open to the entire male complement of the British Armed Forces. It is not limited to the RM. I did a exchange tour at RM Poole with SBS and did a DET on HMS Ocean with 42 Commando.
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dubyahsrobotminion — 10 years ago(February 17, 2016 05:03 AM)
Force Recon has a very specific mission, Deep Reconnaissance for the MEF and Direct Action for the MEF. There are so many dissimilarities between Forecon and SBS, the scope is just like apples v. oranges. These comparisons just don't work. The Coast Guard has water-borne special operations organization too. Kinda like comparing a gas station to an oil company.
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