One thing that bugged me:
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Stratego — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 07:24 PM)
Who says that's not exactly what the Genie granted him? It's what he promises to do the second time around, so why not the first time? Maybe he created some princedom in the desert? It's just that Jafar took away all those things that made him a prince.
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teck76 — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 03:22 PM)
No, Jafar took away the things that made him
look like
a prince. Being a prince isn't only attire, wealth and land. It's also attitude, experience, reputation. A prince is born as such, so he would have royal lineage.
Case in point, Aladdin still had to pretend to be a prince before Jafar rose to power, like how he fumbled to justify that he really was a prince when Jasmine recognized him from the marketplace after the carpet ride. If Genie had made him an actual prince, he wouldn't have to hide anything. -
Stratego — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 03:51 PM)
No, Jafar took away the things that made him look like a prince.
No, because if that were the case Aladdin would obviously still be a prince and there would be no reason to wish for it again. Jafar undid the wish, which meant that everything that made him LOOK like a prince was also taken away. The attire helps, but it's not what makes someone a prince. A real prince can still look like an unsophisticated slob, but that wouldn't impress the sultan.
Case in point, Aladdin still had to pretend to be a prince before Jafar rose to power, like how he fumbled to justify that he really was a prince when Jasmine recognized him from the marketplace after the carpet ride. If Genie had made him an actual prince, he wouldn't have to hide anything.
That doesn't prove in any way that he wasn't a real prince. That simply shows that he didn't want to be recognized as the beggar Aladdin, because that would raise questions. As was shown in the movie. He didn't want them to know he was a streetrat, because he was ashamed of that and feared that they would reject his proposal. -
Stratego — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 04:45 PM)
That's nonsense. Jamsine did not like anyone because they were a prince, in fact, it almost seemed she held that against them. And Aladdin basically did have everything thanks to that wish, didn't you see all the things he got during the Prince Ali song?
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NobodymournstheWicked — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 06:36 PM)
Stratego is correct there is no way that Jasmine would not have taken a liking to any prince right away, have you seriously seen this movie? She pretty had sent Prince Achmed packing the next day I assume by having Rajah "play" with him as she claimed even through Rajah had a piece of his pants in his/her mouth. And looked how mad he was when he stormed in the room that Sultan was in.
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BrainGremlin — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 10:10 PM)
Also, Genie growing all big and lifting the entire palace up was surely a wish being granted? So Jafar should have had one wish left after that, unless Genie was willingly assisting him.
Sad story. You got a smoke? -
BrainGremlin — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 12:22 PM)
But was it? The people and animals for Aladdin's wish to become a prince could a) be followers he amassed by being (or posing as, as the story would seem to have it) a prince, or b) be there because Genie liked Aladdin and wanted to
help
. I can't imagine the Genie not telling Jafar anything beyond making him a Sultan would be an additional wish, considering he sort of attempted that with Aladdin (not for the prince bit), whom he liked (not that he wanted to pick out curtains, or anything).
Sad story. You got a smoke? -
Stratego — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 01:07 PM)
Yes, it was. Princes don't have "followers", they have subjects and since Aladdin was a prince of a fictional place Genie also had to conjure up "fictional" subjects. And Aladdin had just come from the desert, he didn't even have enough time to gain followers. The people and animals were supposed to reflect Prince Ali's wealth, so ofcourse Genie created them. At the end of the desert scene Genie even says that the outfit alone isn't enough and that he's going to make him a star, suggesting that he conjured up the whole show.
It's more than just help, Genie wanted to help Aladdin from drowning but couldn't unless he made a new wish.
As Sultan Jafar can decide where he wants his palace to be, so moving it would definitely be part of his wish. -
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bulokusa — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 05:05 AM)
Here's another way to look at this, the act of clothing him, getting followers, the riches etc. wasn't the genie fulfilling his wish, it was a means to an end. There's only two ways to become a prince, either be born one coming from royal lineage or marry a princess.
Helping Aladdin win Jasmine's heart, marrying her and subsequently becoming prince by marriage was the Genie fulfilling Aladdin's wish.
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NobodymournstheWicked — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 06:43 PM)
Yep you are right cause either you be born a prince or become one while marrying a princess but makes you wonder if citizens of the town would frown on a princess marrying somebody not even royal at all