Ilena's Pregnancy
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rlstokey — 14 years ago(August 19, 2011 08:40 AM)
I agree that more character development would have helped given the Hughes' purpose for the Ilena character. With the few scenes that involved her, Ilena didn't come off as some coldblooded hoodrat out for a dollar. She even tried to stop her cousin from retaliating against Caine. I still have to listen to the second director's commentary.
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rlstokey — 14 years ago(August 26, 2011 07:56 AM)
Finally listened to Albert's commentary and he expressed his disappointment in his "direction" of this scene saying it was too emotional. His commentary focused mainly on the technical aspects of the film and was very informative.
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stevesharief7-1 — 14 years ago(September 04, 2011 09:43 PM)
I agree with youfrom what is shown in the film I tended to believe her pregnancy, which makes Caine a slightly less sympathetic character. Plus..it kinda seems like her cousin wouldn't have confronted and retaliated against Caine if this was just a scam
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ladyjay0786 — 12 years ago(July 31, 2013 08:29 PM)
Plus..it kinda seems like her cousin wouldn't have confronted and retaliated against Caine if this was just a scam
The cousin retaliated because Caine attacked him. Had Caine not attack him, I don't think he would have come back at Caine the way he did(the drive by shooting). -
eddiewinehosen — 11 years ago(September 03, 2014 06:59 PM)
I always thought she wasn't talking BS about being pregnant. Now that I know that was the directors vision of her I imagine she might have tried to stop her cousin from retaliating because she was lying and didn't want anyone getting killed over her lie.
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fiatlux-1 — 14 years ago(September 22, 2011 11:03 PM)
I agree. They should have added more dialog. Ilena came off as at least being truthful about the pregnancy. Even the scene where they show her saying "CaineI'm pregnant." she is almost crying. If she had been lying, why have that kind of expression?
As to how she got pregnant if he used a condom, I figured they fooled around before actual sex, and she got pregnant that way from pre-ejaculate. They used to warn us about that in high school in health class.
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(June 23, 2014 09:01 PM)
What??
I never said anything about a broken condom. Neither did Caine or Illena.
I said that if it was indeed Caine's baby, he got her pregnant from pre-ejaculate.
I even had a girlfriend who thought this same thing: that if the man pulled out before ejaculation, she couldn't get pregnant!
And if one wants to get REALLY technical, a man can impregnate a woman from the outside from pre-ejaculate also.
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"Didn't he discover America?"
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(June 27, 2014 11:50 PM)
Um I'm still not following your sequence of conversation, sorry.
I'm sure both can happen inside a condom. What does that have to do with this?
Caine never said he had the condom on the ENTIRE time. He never once said that.
We're talking about a reckless, somewhat dim teenage boy & an equally dim teenage girl playing blame-games with each other.
Caine wasn't known for his smarts, now was he.
And for the record, pre-ejaculate & ejaculate are not the 'same'. One can occur from the moment of erection while the latter does not.
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"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush." -
aag12345-1 — 14 years ago(September 11, 2011 11:42 AM)
I believe you that Hughes said that in the commentary, but there is NOTHING in the movie to imply that she's being anything but truthful about the pregnancy.
When Caine meets her in the parking lot and first puts the moves on her, it's all his doing and she's angry at first that he blocked her in. Then, we don't see enough of her to have an opinion of where she's coming from. The way it plays in the movie, she's just a plot device to create the conflict that gets Caine killed - when you're thinking instead that he's about to have problems from the guy he beat up at the party, or getting busted for the grocery store murder and the videotape.
I thought that was the point Hughes was trying to make, that when you're living that life in that neighborhood, the $hit that jumps up and gets you isn't even the things that you're expecting to. I'm not sure how having Ilena scamming would improve the story, though it would show another facet of "the life", and emphasize even more the theme that Caine was being killed over some bull$hit. The way it plays now, you do feel he has some responsibility for blowing off the girl he got pregnant.
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PurpleLemonadeDinosaur — 13 years ago(May 25, 2012 11:53 AM)
I do kind of find her pregnancy iffy. What would be the point of getting Cain killed? How would she explained that to her child? "Oh, your father was killed by some guys I knew because he wouldn't claim you as a child." It would be very unsettling, so I don't think she had any intentions of getting him killed. She could have been lying, but they didn't give us enough reason as to why she would.
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