Ilena's Pregnancy
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(June 23, 2014 09:01 PM)
What??
I never said anything about a broken condom. Neither did Caine or Illena.
I said that if it was indeed Caine's baby, he got her pregnant from pre-ejaculate.
I even had a girlfriend who thought this same thing: that if the man pulled out before ejaculation, she couldn't get pregnant!
And if one wants to get REALLY technical, a man can impregnate a woman from the outside from pre-ejaculate also.
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(June 27, 2014 11:50 PM)
Um I'm still not following your sequence of conversation, sorry.
I'm sure both can happen inside a condom. What does that have to do with this?
Caine never said he had the condom on the ENTIRE time. He never once said that.
We're talking about a reckless, somewhat dim teenage boy & an equally dim teenage girl playing blame-games with each other.
Caine wasn't known for his smarts, now was he.
And for the record, pre-ejaculate & ejaculate are not the 'same'. One can occur from the moment of erection while the latter does not.
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"Didn't he discover America?"
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aag12345-1 — 14 years ago(September 11, 2011 11:42 AM)
I believe you that Hughes said that in the commentary, but there is NOTHING in the movie to imply that she's being anything but truthful about the pregnancy.
When Caine meets her in the parking lot and first puts the moves on her, it's all his doing and she's angry at first that he blocked her in. Then, we don't see enough of her to have an opinion of where she's coming from. The way it plays in the movie, she's just a plot device to create the conflict that gets Caine killed - when you're thinking instead that he's about to have problems from the guy he beat up at the party, or getting busted for the grocery store murder and the videotape.
I thought that was the point Hughes was trying to make, that when you're living that life in that neighborhood, the $hit that jumps up and gets you isn't even the things that you're expecting to. I'm not sure how having Ilena scamming would improve the story, though it would show another facet of "the life", and emphasize even more the theme that Caine was being killed over some bull$hit. The way it plays now, you do feel he has some responsibility for blowing off the girl he got pregnant.
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PurpleLemonadeDinosaur — 13 years ago(May 25, 2012 11:53 AM)
I do kind of find her pregnancy iffy. What would be the point of getting Cain killed? How would she explained that to her child? "Oh, your father was killed by some guys I knew because he wouldn't claim you as a child." It would be very unsettling, so I don't think she had any intentions of getting him killed. She could have been lying, but they didn't give us enough reason as to why she would.
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fiatlux-1 — 12 years ago(April 09, 2013 12:54 AM)
I agree it never even occured to me that she was lying about being pregnant. Even if he wore a condom they aren't 100% effective.
I agree. Especially if they fooled around before he put the condom on.
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"Didn't he discover America?"
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RobSac — 12 years ago(April 15, 2013 12:21 AM)
The fact that she goes right to her gangster cousin for retaliation shows her level of class. Those bullets killed a guy who wasn't even in a gang, and who dedicated his life to getting Caine's crew to stop banging, and they also came within an inch of killing a small child. That girl was trash.
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