I'm sure this has been discussed a lot before but I don't care!
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SeinfeldFriend — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 01:01 PM)
For sure! If people want to keep discussing it, go for it. I can't discuss it anymore, so thought I'd go with a little comedy relief for myself haha (It's actually a Seinfeld quote, but it was late so I forgot to put quotation marks around it)
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 03:15 PM)
SeinfeldFriend
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If people want to keep discussing it, go for it.
I don't. I just find it exasperating that quite a few people still argue about it when both Ross and Rachel knew that they were broken up at the time.
That we know, I think, for sure. What there is no certainty about is what the hell it means to be on a "break." Different people have very different interpretations, and there simply isn't a definitive one. There is no agreement about what the rules are, so arguing about that is arguing about something that doesn't have any solution.
If Ross had interpreted the situation as a probably temporary break, he would never have gotten in bed with Chloe. He would never argue that if you are on a "break" that may be temporary that you have the right to have sex with someone else.
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Painbow — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 03:07 AM)
A relationship doesn't just abruptly come to an end any more so than it instantly comes into being on the first date. Most people acknowledge this without looking for technicalities or loop holes (presumably because they don't watch friends).
If you ended a relationship and then discovered that the person you thought loved you was fcking someone else three hours later, I can assure you;- You'd feel cheated on.
- You'd question whether you really knew this person at all.
And you'd respond to the excuse "
but we were broken up
" with utter disdain.
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 06:29 AM)
Well precisely,break or break up, he proved that his so called love for Rachel was a huge lie, he's been cheating her about the strengh and deph of his feelings.No one would bed someone else 3hrs after a break or break up with the so called love of his life.But in order to save the "endgame" couple, the writers needed to focus on what didn't matter( break or break up?)in a desperate attempt to make us forget that Ross's so called love for Rachel lost all credibility
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log705 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 03:05 AM)
the break-up isn't what led him to that though, hearing Mark on the other end of the phone i think temporarily deadened his feelings toward Rachel and combined with the drinks plus the level at which Chloe was coming onto him that night, it was a reactionary thing based on the fact that he thought Rachel was already doing it herself anyway
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 06:04 AM)
What break up? There was no break up till she found out he cheated. There is no way he thought after the phone call that she dumped him. Did he think that she was cheating? If he did, he cheated too. In order for it to not be cheating, he should have ended it before hunging up.But he didn't, so no break up happened,so he cheated
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 07:53 AM)
Again when did the break up happen? Rachel assumed that Ross dumped her when he hung up on her but fact is that he didn't.He should have said so saying that they were done, before hinging up.
Rachel dumped him? When? When she said a break from us? Then why didn't she break up with him like she did when she found out he cheated? Why would she be happy he called,try to hide and explain the presence of the man she supposely broke up for? Why would she allow that man in the appartement she shares with Ross's sister knowing how she would react?
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sara-wilson-iii — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 06:42 AM)
I have no idea why I'm joining this convo since the show ended over a decade ago but:
4:24 Rachel: "We kinda broke up, instead."
And Ross is wrong for sleeping with Chloe, Rachel is wrong for saying "Let's take a break", and then letting Mark come over.
They were both in the wrong and it was a stupid fight that lasted until the end of the show.
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 07:17 AM)
Rachel never said : we broke up instead
She said: we kinda broke up instead
And that was after he hung up on her( showing clearly that she didn't know if he dumped her or not but was gonna fight for him) Oh and thanks for the clip that shows clearly how confused she was about wether they were broken up or not.
It was Ross who said:" we're gonna break up instead
And that was before the phone call
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Moonlighty — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 08:05 AM)
Why is Rachel wrong to let Mark come over? Because she didn't want him there so she should have been more clear or because she has to obey Ross's friend rules?
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 08:43 AM)
Sorry but no. Ross doesn't get to choose her friends and she had made very clear to Ross more than once that Mark was just a friend. Mark was a big part of the problem? Heck no. Mark was just the excuse Ross used .The problem was Rachel's passion for her job, enjoying something for herself, not being all about Ross,having a life outside of him.Ross knew there was nothing between Rachel and Mark, also knew that Mark had a girlfriend. Mark was just an excuse
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Stratego — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 02:02 PM)
Because she knew Mark was a big part of the problem and having him come over at that moment was not a good idea.
I agree. If you want to make up with your boyfriend after a fight, it's just really strange to invite the guy you had a fight about into your house. I also don't get how she still couldn't see what Mark's true intentions were. -
Painbow — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 03:28 PM)
If you want to make up with your boyfriend after a fight, it's just really strange to invite the guy you had a fight about into your house
Good job she didn't invite him over then.
I also don't get how she still couldn't see what Mark's true intentions were.
You mean his true intentions to bring Chinese food over then leave?
Were you people all cheated on or something? LOL