I'm sure this has been discussed a lot before but I don't care!
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log705 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 03:05 AM)
the break-up isn't what led him to that though, hearing Mark on the other end of the phone i think temporarily deadened his feelings toward Rachel and combined with the drinks plus the level at which Chloe was coming onto him that night, it was a reactionary thing based on the fact that he thought Rachel was already doing it herself anyway
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 06:04 AM)
What break up? There was no break up till she found out he cheated. There is no way he thought after the phone call that she dumped him. Did he think that she was cheating? If he did, he cheated too. In order for it to not be cheating, he should have ended it before hunging up.But he didn't, so no break up happened,so he cheated
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 07:53 AM)
Again when did the break up happen? Rachel assumed that Ross dumped her when he hung up on her but fact is that he didn't.He should have said so saying that they were done, before hinging up.
Rachel dumped him? When? When she said a break from us? Then why didn't she break up with him like she did when she found out he cheated? Why would she be happy he called,try to hide and explain the presence of the man she supposely broke up for? Why would she allow that man in the appartement she shares with Ross's sister knowing how she would react?
Fact is there was no break up.Ross does what every cheater does: Blame his girlfriend for his cheating. -
sara-wilson-iii — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 06:42 AM)
I have no idea why I'm joining this convo since the show ended over a decade ago but:
4:24 Rachel: "We kinda broke up, instead."
And Ross is wrong for sleeping with Chloe, Rachel is wrong for saying "Let's take a break", and then letting Mark come over.
They were both in the wrong and it was a stupid fight that lasted until the end of the show.
I love trolls, they taste like chicken. -
imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 07:17 AM)
Rachel never said : we broke up instead
She said: we kinda broke up instead
And that was after he hung up on her( showing clearly that she didn't know if he dumped her or not but was gonna fight for him) Oh and thanks for the clip that shows clearly how confused she was about wether they were broken up or not.
It was Ross who said:" we're gonna break up instead
And that was before the phone call
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Moonlighty — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 08:05 AM)
Why is Rachel wrong to let Mark come over? Because she didn't want him there so she should have been more clear or because she has to obey Ross's friend rules?
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 08:43 AM)
Sorry but no. Ross doesn't get to choose her friends and she had made very clear to Ross more than once that Mark was just a friend. Mark was a big part of the problem? Heck no. Mark was just the excuse Ross used .The problem was Rachel's passion for her job, enjoying something for herself, not being all about Ross,having a life outside of him.Ross knew there was nothing between Rachel and Mark, also knew that Mark had a girlfriend. Mark was just an excuse
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Stratego — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 02:02 PM)
Because she knew Mark was a big part of the problem and having him come over at that moment was not a good idea.
I agree. If you want to make up with your boyfriend after a fight, it's just really strange to invite the guy you had a fight about into your house. I also don't get how she still couldn't see what Mark's true intentions were. -
Painbow — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 03:28 PM)
If you want to make up with your boyfriend after a fight, it's just really strange to invite the guy you had a fight about into your house
Good job she didn't invite him over then.
I also don't get how she still couldn't see what Mark's true intentions were.
You mean his true intentions to bring Chinese food over then leave?
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Stratego — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 04:31 PM)
She did invite him INTO her house.
Sure, Mark races to Rachel's house even though she told him he didn't need to come over just to bring her some Chinese food.
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Painbow — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 04:39 PM)
Ppllkk is mentally unwell.
So if a colleague of yours invites himself over after finding out you're upset about a breakup, you won't let him in coz he might have ulterior motives?
Are you also mentally unwell?
Seriously, the paranoia you people display is sincerely worrying. Perhaps consult a mental health professional. -
Stratego — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 04:46 PM)
I do not invite colleagues into my house to discuss my relationship issues, especially not if I just had an argument about them having ulterior motives.
Are you also mentally unwell?
Seriously, the paranoia you people display is sincerely worrying. Perhaps consult a mental health professional.
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Painbow — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 04:56 PM)
I do not invite colleagues into my house to discuss my relationship issues, especially not if I just had an argument about them having ulterior motives.
LOL, even when they're clearly your friend? You just lock the door and rock back and forth? Again, I repeat are you mentally unwell?
Secondly there was no argument about Mark having ulterior motives; there was simply Ross believing that something was going on between Rachel and Mark. Just because he was incapable of trusting Rachel, that doesn't mean she should indulge his behavior (she's his partner, not his mother).
You don't really sound right in the head yourself, buddy.
Really? In what way?
You're heightened paranoia about male friends and colleagues coming over to console you, demonstrates an obvious psychological issue regarding trusting people and their motives. Did someone hurt you? -
Stratego — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 05:07 PM)
Rachel was not close with Mark, she only went to a fashion show with him. She had other friends to talk to about her relationship.
Rachel called a break because they had another fight about Mark. She tried to get back together with Ross, letting Mark in was not a smart thing to do.
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Painbow — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 05:24 PM)
Of course she was close with him, you utter moron. He was her colleague and friend the guy who helped her get a foot in the door. She socialised with him, you retarded muppet.
Rachel called a break because they had another fight about Mark. She tried to get back together with Ross, letting Mark in was not a smart thing to do.
No cretin. They had a fight about ROSS smothering her, you complete turnip. Maybe try watching the actual show. Ross was the ONLY person talking about Mark even he acknowledged that he was obsessing when he asked "is this about Mark?" and her incredulous response instantly made him regret asking.
Your boyfriend's paranoia is not YOUR responsibility. You cannot placate an untrusting partner over and over when you become an adult, you mong special needs imbecile, you might grasp this.
What paranoia are you talking about?
The fact that you think a person should reassure their partner about potential colleagues and friends being threats to their relationships demonstrates your paranoia. You are an idiot!
Did your mother drop you on your head?
Did your mother mate with a mentally disabled chimp, you half-wit spastic?
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Painbow — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 06:00 PM)
I'm simply correcting you.
The relationship ended because Ross was paranoid about Mark, because he smothered her, because he constantly needed reassurance, because he wasn't getting her all to himself anymore, because he was way too needy, and oh yes because he fcked the copy girl.
The idea that Rachel should have placated him, indulged him or accepted his paranoia is the opinion of either someone who has a personal bias or is (like ppllkk) a misogynist.
She has a right to a career, she has a right to male friends and she has a right not to be as eager for a relationship as serious as the one Ross wanted.
She had no obligation to reassure Ross. He is a grown man.
I've never like Rachel but people who apologise for Ross's smothering behaviour, his unjust paranoia and his eventual infidelity utterly perplex me.