Episodes that made you hate the characters?
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(July 23, 2016 06:03 AM)
haileybrae05
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My original comment only consisted of me saying that I felt Ross was right to dump Bonnie before attempting to get back together with Rachel. That's it.
Then you randomly came up with the idea that I was saying that Ross should wait around for Rachel and I don't know how you got that notion.
Because it is the clear implication of your belief that Ross should breakup Bonnie before trying to get back with Rachel.
Because Ross is always going to want Rachel more than any new woman that he meets.
The argument was reductio ad absurdum, but that does not seem to have come across to you. -
!!!deleted!!! (64820750) — 9 years ago(July 22, 2016 12:05 PM)
"But if there was one man that you wanted more than any other man and he had dumped you would you break up with your boyfriend with whom you are quite happy because you thought that it was possible that you could get back with that man?"
I have only ever had 1 boyfriend in my life (that I'm still with).
But if I did have someone before him, then I wouldn't lose a great thing that I have currently just for "what if?." especially if HE had dumped ME.
I'm the type of person to believe that exes are exes for a reason. When people get married to their exes, then that's great for them! It just means they were meant to be. But I just feel that if you've been broken up for a while, (like Ross and Rachel were) then I would have a hard time wanting to be with someone that I had a history with a long time ago. Sure, I could still have feelings for them. But they probably wouldn't be the same as how they were before. It's a "love" feeling, but not an "in love" feeling like I have currently. If someone were to dump me, then I don't chase after them. They left me, so it wasn't meant to be.
I feel like people change after a while and you could be different and want different things. It's different for Ross and Rachel because they were friends the whole time after they broke up so they still knew each other.
But for me, personally, I wouldn't leave someone that I have a great thing with, just for what if? A what if that happened years ago that left me. -
Moonlighty — 9 years ago(July 22, 2016 11:47 AM)
I agree, it wouldn't have been fair to Bonnie since obviously Ross wasn't that interested in her if he was willing to jump ship. No one wants to be the one someone is with until someone better comes along. Obviously if Bonnie and Ross aren't meant to be, she should have the chance to move onto a guy who's really into her.
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(July 22, 2016 10:16 AM)
For me, Ross's low point was trying with great sincerity to persuade Emily to move to New York when he wasn't really serious about giving up Rachel.
Ross is a sincere person, and he projects sincerity, probably because he believed that Emily was the one that he loves and the one that he wants to be married to. But he should have known that that was not the case. He should've looked at what happened in London and realized that he really didn't want to give up Rachel and wasn't going to do so.
I believe he only understands that consciously in the final telephone conversation at the very last minute. He finally realizes that he is simply not able to give up seeing Rachel.
But Ross is not dumb, and he should have understood the situation earlier. Instead, he led Emily on for an extended period of time and then bailed at the last minute.
This is a very human way to behave, and I'm not saying that I necessarily blame Ross, but Ross's lack of self understanding is Ross at his worst.
There are some ironies here. Ross refused to "trust" Rachel over Mark. He was, of course, right.
But Ross expects Emily to "trust" him over Rachel which she could not possibly do.
I believe that part of what is going on in the Mark episode is that Rachel wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to play with Mark I don't mean sex as if she were a single, but she wants to be in a relationship with Ross.
Here, Ross also wants to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to be in a serious relationship with Emily, but he wants to continue seeing Rachel is if he were a single.
The major thing that I see that Ross and Rachel have in common is a lack of self understanding. -
Stratego — 9 years ago(July 26, 2016 02:43 PM)
Good god, why do you need to turn this into another Rachel vs. Ross argument? It's simply that poster's opinion, your opinion isn't fact. I also happen to think that Rachel should've taken her responsibility in the break-up, so there you go!
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(July 26, 2016 06:25 PM)
Exactly, not only she did nothing to make him jealous but she reassured him friom the moment she told him about the possible new job interview and he chose to ignore all the times she reassured him and to distust her with no reason
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hamsa-43622 — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 04:10 PM)
Completely agree about everyone else, but don't you think Chandler WAS wrong in kissing Joey's girlfriend? Whether Joey was into Kathy or not isn't the question, it's a matter of principle - you make it sound like Chandler wasn't to blame because Joey didn't really like Kathy, on the other hand, had he been in love with her, it would have been a big deal.
Take Joey's behavior when he fell in love with Rachel - he was most concerned about Ross and how he would be affected, he spoke to Ross first, and even considered approaching Rachel only after Ross said he was fine with it. That sounds like a stand-up guy to me. He isn't making a big deal about Chandler kissing Kathy - the issue is Chandler going behind Joey's back when, as Ross says, he would have gladly stepped aside had Chandler just been honest with him. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 08:46 PM)
hamsa-43622
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but don't you think Chandler WAS wrong in kissing Joey's girlfriend?
Please don't romanticize this stuff about honor among young men trying to get laid or find a girlfriend.
No, Chandler wasn't wrong. He did not come on to Kathy. You can argue that she sort of came on to him, but basically it was quite mutual. It was something that just happened and came out of their mutual attraction.
They have sincere feelings for each other. Joey does not have any sort of sincere feelings toward Kathy. He has belatedly decided that he prefers her to the other woman that he is dating but that's all.
Sincere feelings trump all that crap that Joey gave Chandler, and if Joey weren't such a dumb ass, he would've understood that. Chandler was not going behind Joey's back. He did not make a pass at Kathy. It just happened while Joey was off with another woman.
If you go back and watch the episode again, or read the transcript, it is clear why Chandler could not reasonably be expected to ask Joey first.
https://xkcd.com/1357/ -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 07:06 AM)
P. S.
hamsa-43622
wrote:
on the other hand, had he been in love with her, it would have been a big deal.
Yes, it would've been, but not because of some semi-mythical man code crap.
It would've been a big deal because he had hurt his friend.
Take Joey's behavior when he fell in love with Rachel -
The situation is completely different. Joey knows that Ross has been in love with Rachel for 10 years. He knows, or should know most humans would know, but it's hard to say about Joey that Ross, whatever he may say, is not going to be at all comfortable with Joey sleeping with Rachel. So he does what he can to make the situation legitimate. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(August 08, 2016 01:32 PM)
Ah
Manning29
. Your history shows exactly 3 posts in the last four months and all of them in the last five hours.
Curiously, I already have you on ignore which strongly suggests to me that you had your posting history blanked when you were using a different username.
You're probably kjc. -
forumulaa — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 01:51 PM)
Agree with you for the most part except for in the case of Joey and Chandler. Chandler did wrong Joey by kissing his current gf, which was not okay even if he was in love with her. The box episode was pretty fair, and remember that in the end Joey does tell him to go and get her.
Infact, Chandler and Joey's is one of the most untainted and pure friendships on tv, without being too fairy-tale perfect. Also, it was hard for me to hate either of them(maybe joey when he got together with Rachel).
As far as Monica is concerned, I could write a 36 page document on all the episodes which made me hate her - starting with her dating Richard's son and ending with the one in which she says weddings are more important than some "stupid kids". -
Painbow — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 04:24 PM)
The episode where Phoebe deliberately reveals that Monica had wanted to sleep with Joey in London and not Chandler.
The episode where Monica said she'd write
what were you thinking
" on a box of Rachel's clothes and Rachel responds by saying "
I was gonna write that on Chandler
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lilamendezes12 — 9 years ago(July 24, 2016 07:03 AM)
I hated Phoebe for that. But as I always say when it comes up, why would Monica ever have told Phoebe that information?
Agreed! I don't understand why Monica would have told Phoebe that to begin with. Also, for Phoebe to repeat that, years after the fact, especially when Monica and Chandler were in love and clearly committed to each other, is pretty disgusting.
All of the "Friends" have their unlikeable moments, and that is one of Phoebe's for me.
For me, i hated how spoiled Rachel acted throughout the series. Ross' wedding and TOW The Cat being two prime examples.