Brad Pitt was jaw-droppingly bad
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leBratPrincess — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 05:32 AM)
Its not a fact its your opinion.
You said yourself you only read a first few chapters, so how do you how the character develops? That makes no sense. I have read them all and he and Cruise are pretty spot on in character except for physical description. So when I ask if you read them and you say only a few chapters in my mind that means like 2 chapters and then you tossed it, which is frankly your loss.
My opinion is that bad acting is cringeworthy and ruins movies.
I agree totally with you on that, but I don't agree that this was the case with this film AND as you are entitled to your opinion I am to mine.
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shatteredbluedreams — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 06:20 PM)
Its not a fact its your opinion.
You said yourself you only read a first few chapters, so how do you how the character develops? That makes no sense. I have read them all and he and Cruise are pretty spot on in character except for physical description. So when I ask if you read them and you say only a few chapters in my mind that means like 2 chapters and then you tossed it, which is frankly your loss.
I just re-read the beginning of the book on Amazon. Again, nowhere does the character talk like a bad actor. His speech is not monotone and stilted. The book does not present him as brain damaged.
Pitt's performance is wooden and self-conscious because he is a poor actor, not because he is giving a nuanced portrayal of a man with impaired speech and brain damage.
My opinion is that bad acting is cringeworthy and ruins movies.
I agree totally with you on that, but I don't agree that this was the case with this film AND as you are entitled to your opinion I am to mine.
You're not being honest about the difference between an opinion and an aesthetic preference.
If I say the movie is in colour, is that just my opinion, or is it a fact?
If I say the movie was released in 1994, is that opinion or fact?
If I say that Brad Pitt talks in a flat unnatural way, betraying his awareness of the camera and script, is that opinion or fact?
You are entitled to your taste, your aesthetic preference. You are not entitled to your opinion unless it's based on fact.A couple I know are getting married
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leBratPrincess — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 05:44 AM)
Again, nowhere does the character talk like a bad actor.
Do you expect that to be written word for word for you, how he talks? People do generally talk like that after experiencing something that he had experienced, distracted/depressed/not caring whether they are heard or not..if they deal with a traumatic event with tears rather than anger, I am beginning to think you don't have much practical experience with real people at all. His brother was very important to him.
You're not being honest about the difference between an opinion and an aesthetic preference.
Kettle meet Pot. You were bored with the first few chapters, what would make you want to see the film? OK you saw the film first and was curious about the book, why would you want to experience a character more in depth if you didn't like screen personality portraying it, because when you read the book after seeing the film, all you saw in your mind was Pitt.
If I say that Brad Pitt talks in a flat unnatural way, betraying his awareness of the camera and script, is that opinion or fact?
Opinion
You are not entitled to your opinion unless it's based on fact.
Since when do you decide when anyone is entitled to their own opinion.
You obviously don't like Pitt, OK, just don't expect everyone else to share your view of him, you think he did bad.your opinion, I think he did spot on.my opinion {see what I did there} we both have opinions, just accept that fact and don't argue with someone when they share their OPINION that doesn't meet to your standards.
It also might help you to ask yourself why in particular you don't like him, then you could avoid him, as I have in several of his other films I didn't like, or others like him. You might have more pleasurable viewing experiences if you fill your collections with things you like.
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shatteredbluedreams — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 11:20 PM)
Again, nowhere does the character talk like a bad actor.
Do you expect that to be written word for word for you, how he talks? People do generally talk like that after experiencing something that he had experienced, distracted/depressed/not caring whether they are heard or not..if they deal with a traumatic event with tears rather than anger, I am beginning to think you don't have much practical experience with real people at all. His brother was very important to him.
The book describes his appearance and showcases his speech. I would expect a speech impediment to be mentioned.
No-one ever talks like bad actors except other bad actors and bad public speakers. No-one in real life, no matter how depressed or suicidal, talks like a bad public speaker.
You're still ignoring that Brad Pitt talks like this in all his films. Was his character in Ocean's Eleven also traumatised by the death of Louis the vampire's family?
You're not being honest about the difference between an opinion and an aesthetic preference.
Kettle meet Pot.
Perhaps you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm abiding by my own definitions of opinion and aesthetic preference. It's a simple distinction.
An opinion is an interpretation of a fact. An aesthetic preference is your favourite tastes, colours, sounds, moods, etc.
If I say that Brad Pitt talks in a flat unnatural way, betraying his awareness of the camera and script, is that opinion or fact?
Opinion
Uh, he does talk in a flat and unnatural way. It's as factual as the film being a colour movie released in 1994.
You are not entitled to your opinion unless it's based on fact.
Since when do you decide when anyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Don't be silly. You can't redefine the universe with your opinions.
You were bored with the first few chapters, what would make you want to see the film? OK you saw the film first and was curious about the book, why would you want to experience a character more in depth if you didn't like screen personality portraying it, because when you read the book after seeing the film, all you saw in your mind was Pitt.
You obviously don't like Pitt, OK, just don't expect everyone else to share your view of him, you think he did bad.your opinion, I think he did spot on.my opinion {see what I did there} we both have opinions, just accept that fact and don't argue with someone when they share their OPINION that doesn't meet to your standards.
It also might help you to ask yourself why in particular you don't like him, then you could avoid him, as I have in several of his other films I didn't like, or others like him. You might have more pleasurable viewing experiences if you fill your collections with things you like.
I read the prologue to The Vampire Lestat in a bookstore around 1992. The movie was everywhere in 1994. I saw bits of it over the years, but never the whole thing. I tried the book around 2003 after a friend lent it to me.
I finally saw the whole film recently and was stunned by just how bad Brad Pitt was in his performance.
Considering he is one of the most famous actors in the world, and this is one of the biggest vampire movies ever, I thought I'd see if anyone else was as bothered by the awfulness as I was.
Now, if you think that talking in a self-conscious monotone is a spot-on performance, then you either think Louis the Vampire has a severe anxiety disorder that makes him talk like a bad actor, or you can't tell the difference between natural and unnatural speech. Either way, your opinion that Pitt was spot on has to be based on the facts of his performance. You can't just pretend he did a good job because you have a crush on Brad baby.
I've made it clear why I don't like Pitt as an actor: he's a bad actor. Don't stress, I won't spend huge swathes of my time on the man. This thread's life will do.A couple I know are getting married
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leBratPrincess — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 07:42 AM)
I finally saw the whole film recently and was stunned by just how bad Brad Pitt was in his performance.
You knew full well he was in it in its full length OK.
Yet
I've made it clear why I don't like Pitt as an actor:
Then why watch it in the first place?
You can't just pretend he did a good job because you have a crush on Brad baby.
What exactly led you to believe that, because I and others happen to disagree with you.
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shatteredbluedreams — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 03:45 PM)
I finally saw the whole film recently and was stunned by just how bad Brad Pitt was in his performance.
You knew full well he was in it in its full length OK.
Yet
I've made it clear why I don't like Pitt as an actor:
Then why watch it in the first place?
I'm not sure what you're saying here. I saw Interview with the Vampire, then knew that Pitt was awful in it. Now I'm talking about it with strangers on the internet.
Yes, I knew that Pitt was bad in other movies, especially Seven, but suspecting he was bad in Interview is different to experiencing how truly bad he was.
You can't just pretend he did a good job because you have a crush on Brad baby.
What exactly led you to believe that, because I and others happen to disagree with you.
Well if you don't find him attractive, why do you like his flat and emotionless performance?A couple I know are getting married
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leBratPrincess — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 03:54 PM)
Wait hold on just a second here, you knew he was in it BEFORE you watched it yet you still watched it????????????? Makes no sense, why watch a movie with someone you don't like.
I have already explained that, I think his performance in this was spot on.
So when you accuse someone of crushing on an actor, when they have not stated that clearly, you are just jabbing out in the dark. Which is childish to say the least.
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Allow me to make it all clear, you came here to fight with strangers on the internet.
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shatteredbluedreams — 9 years ago(April 03, 2016 04:22 AM)
Wait hold on just a second here, you knew he was in it BEFORE you watched it yet you still watched it????????????? Makes no sense, why watch a movie with someone you don't like.
I've already told you. I'd heard about this movie since '94. I like a good vampire story. So I gave it a go, even though I knew it would probably be bad.
I have already explained that, I think his performance in this was spot on.
So when you accuse someone of crushing on an actor, when they have not stated that clearly, you are just jabbing out in the dark. Which is childish to say the least.
You don't think his performance was spot on. You think his performance was awful, so you're denying the reality that he talked in a flat, emotionless voice while being aware of the camera and script.
No-one thinks bad acting is spot on. They either hate it, don't notice it cuz they're autistic, or ignore it becaue they're into the actor. Those are the only basic responses to bad acting.
So unless you're putting your hand up as someone incapable of reading emotions in face and voice, then you must be into Brad Pitt. That's hardly an outrageous suggestion. He is famous for being exceptionally good looking.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. I saw Interview with the Vampire, then knew that Pitt was awful in it. Now I'm talking about it with strangers on the internet.
Allow me to make it all clear, you came here to fight with strangers on the internet.
I don't tell the truth to fight against the lies people tell. I do it because it feels natural. I have no interest in fighting with anyone.A couple I know are getting married
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Jacob-Hudson — 9 years ago(June 16, 2016 07:46 AM)
Alright I got to this point in the arguement and I gotta say, you're being a bit ridiculous. He's speakin in a detached, purposeless manner. Speaking like someone who wants nothing but to die do to his pain. Not everyone who wants death speaks this way. But some do. I speak the way he does oftentimes and I certainly don't have any speech impediment. He's thoughtful, but he wants to die. In those regards, he and I are one in the same. When you get to a point where you can rip your shirt open and ask for someone to pull the trigger to kill you, you're ready to go. Hes speaking flat, monotonous, and detached because that's what he is. He doesn't have a bunch of positive energy that's gonna come radiating from within. He just is at the point of the movie. You're correct in saying that saying someone is speaking in a flat emotionless voice isn't really an opinion. Thing is, you don't seem to find that to be within the realms of possibility for someone to speak and conduct himself as he is in the state he is. As someone who mirrors a lot of what he narrates, especially at the beginning about just longing for the release of the pain that is life, I can tell you that his personality isn't unbelievable. Considering that I myself am similar, your argument that this undoubtedly makes him a bad actor for speaking this way is wrong. Bad acting is doing sht that doesn't really happen or doing things in ways things don't really play out. He's playing out at least one persons view of life in this movie pretty well (mine) and I'm certain I'm not he only one who feels this way or speaks in this manner when I've become as detached from the idea of living as one can be. That's my opinion on the topic. I likely won't reply if anyone replies to this. I'll likely forget all about this. Still, my opinion has been stated.
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Jacob-Hudson — 9 years ago(August 09, 2016 09:00 PM)
Actually, I sincerely appreciate it mate. That you would even care enough just to wish me better fortune in the future means a lot. It's not like I could honestly expect you to cure issues I've had for years without knowing anything about me or my mental issues. So I definitely wouldn't say you were being facetious. While simply wishing someone well doesn't solve much, it's still much more than you owe a stranger you've never met. I appreciate it, sincerely. I gotta try and appreciate the good things, both big and small, if I want to overcome the ugliness inside my head, so thank you very much.
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cakemonster — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 07:03 PM)
You're welcome:) I understand needing to get over the ugliness in your head. Have totally been there and am still there, occasionally. I think that ugliness is part of the human condition, unfortunately:/
Speaking from experience, and as someone who's dealt with mental issues, I'm pretty sure I get how you feel. I promise things can get better though. A lot of the time it's just a matter of working through your issues (a good shrink can help with that) and learning how to deal with problems better, instead of getting overwhelmed by them. It isn't always easy, but it
is
possible.
I'll leave you with a quote that I love, and that I think is true. It's by Ernest Hemingway:
"The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong in the broken places."
It's true. You're stronger than you think.
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shatteredbluedreams — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 03:51 AM)
He's speakin in a detached, purposeless manner. Speaking like someone who wants nothing but to die do to his pain. Not everyone who wants death speaks this way. But some do. I speak the way he does oftentimes and I certainly don't have any speech impediment.
Brad Pitt speaks the same throughout the film, and throughout his career. It's the speech of a bad actor, not someone detached and suicidal. You can find the same "performance" in amateur films everywhere, and many Hollywood films too.
Look up amateur short films online. There's plenty to find. You should be able to see what I mean.
When you get to a point where you can rip your shirt open and ask for someone to pull the trigger to kill you, you're ready to go. Hes speaking flat, monotonous, and detached because that's what he is.
If he was detached he wouldn't be showing awareness of the script and the camera, and his performance would vary throughout the movie. This isn't about his character.
Thing is, you don't seem to find that to be within the realms of possibility for someone to speak and conduct himself as he is in the state he is. As someone who mirrors a lot of what he narrates, especially at the beginning about just longing for the release of the pain that is life, I can tell you that his personality isn't unbelievable.
Crushing depression creates a lack of affectedness. I'm very shy but find myself uncaring about social embarrassment when I'm feeling desperately bleak. It's not an easy state to replicate for an actor. As I've said before, Pitt is wooden and flat in all his movies. He doesn't have the talent to play a fantastical immortal creature like a vampire, much less a human at the end of their rope.
You're in love with the idea of the movie, rather than the reality of it. As you said, it's a mirror for you.A couple I know are getting married
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Talamasca2 — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 01:26 AM)
According to Looper (
@3:30) Brad Pitt wanted to buy out his contract and leave the project, but was unable or unwilling to pony up the 40 MILLION dollars to do so.
Brad Pitt has made it clear through interviews over the years that he hated working on this movie. He hated the nighttime shooting schedule, he didn't get along well with Tom Cruise, he didn't like Anne Rice's fans.
He was probably trying to walk that fine line, hoping the work he was doing would get him replaced without being over-the-top awful and deliberate sabotage, while doing a passable job just in case he had to account for his performance as a stylistic choice.
With all that being said, the way Louis' voice in the book is written, it depicts a man so deep in his depression that he IS slightly disjointed from the world around him. Louis is not living in real time. That his outward manner would be such as Mr.Pitt portrayed him would not be out of place or surprising.
"What would Christ need have done to make me follow him like Matthew or Peter? Dress well, to begin with. And have a luxurious head of pampered yellow hair."- Louis, Interview With The Vampire (Anne Rice)
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shatteredbluedreams — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 06:21 PM)
Brad Pitt wanted to buy out his contract and leave the project, but was unable or unwilling to pony up the 40 MILLION dollars to do so.
Brad Pitt has made it clear through interviews over the years that he hated working on this movie. He hated the nighttime shooting schedule, he didn't get along well with Tom Cruise, he didn't like Anne Rice's fans.
He was probably trying to walk that fine line, hoping the work he was doing would get him replaced without being over-the-top awful and deliberate sabotage, while doing a passable job just in case he had to account for his performance as a stylistic choice.
That's an original excuse.
The problem is that Interview with the Vampire was the movie that made Brad Pitt a star, so it's unlikely that he wanted out. More than that, he gives the same performance in all his movies.
He is just as flat and lifeless in Seven, Fight Club, the Ocean's trilogy, and all the rest.
Have you ever seen Meet Joe Black? Claire Forlani looked like she was talking to a cardboard cutout.
With all that being said, the way Louis' voice in the book is written, it depicts a man so deep in his depression that he IS slightly disjointed from the world around him. Louis is not living in real time. That his outward manner would be such as Mr.Pitt portrayed him would not be out of place or surprising.
Disagree totally. Pitt's portrayal showed no depression or any other emotion. Try watching the saloon scene with your eyes shut. Pitt sounds as wooden as though he was auditioning for the part opposite a disinterested casting agent.A couple I know are getting married
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— 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 11:23 AM)Hello Shattered,
Although I am a fan of this film I do agree with you somewhat about Brad Pitt.
While it is true Louis is supposed to be a tortured soul who always retains his human side,I'm not convinced that this is what Pitt brings to the part.I think he's rather over rated as an actor anyway,although he's not bad in comedy.For example I liked Burn after reading and his cameo in Friends.
What did you think of Tom Cruise? For me he was a revelation,I feel he steps out of his comfort zone to play Lestat and he did it beautifully.This film changed my opinion of Tom Cruise.
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shatteredbluedreams — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 06:22 PM)
Hello Shattered,
Hullo Dazed!
Although I am a fan of this film I do agree with you somewhat about Brad Pitt.
While it is true Louis is supposed to be a tortured soul who always retains his human side,I'm not convinced that this is what Pitt brings to the part.I think he's rather over rated as an actor anyway,although he's not bad in comedy.For example I liked Burn after reading and his cameo in Friends.
Haven't seen Burn After Reading except for the trailer. Friends that show was dire for me, and his appearance was no exception.
What did you think of Tom Cruise? For me he was a revelation,I feel he steps out of his comfort zone to play Lestat and he did it beautifully.This film changed my opinion of Tom Cruise.
I think the pageantry and mise-en-scene of this movie did a better job of hiding Cruise's limitations than any other movie he's made. He's a better actor than Pitt, but not by much.A couple I know are getting married
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— 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 06:59 AM)
Friends that show was dire for me, and his appearance was no exception.
I loved Friends but I wouldn't expect you to be a fan,it was aimed at the likes of me after all.Thirty something men probably not so much.
Courtney Cox face now though ugh.
He's a better actor than Pitt, but not by much.
I spat my tea out! I love how you write.Hope Strangelerbot doesn't see this.
I think both were unusual choices for this movie,I believe Anne Rice was quite unhappy with the idea of Tom Cruise playing Lestat but she changed her mind about that.She ought to have been more upset at Antonio Banderas playing what is supposed to be a cherubic looking 17 year old! In fairness I didn't know that until I read the books which was after seeing the film. He might have actually made a better Louis.
I didn't much care for Kirsten Dunst as Claudia either but then she's not a likable character.
I still like the film lots,the costumes,the glassware,Theatre des Vampires was an amazing set.
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shatteredbluedreams — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 11:21 PM)
I loved Friends but I wouldn't expect you to be a fan,it was aimed at the likes of me after all.Thirty something men probably not so much.
Courtney Cox face now though ugh.
Oi! I was 14 when Friends started! Mid-thirties I haven't even read my copy of Dorian Gray yet.
Agree about Cox. She was gorgeous and talented, but now she's a self-made ego monster.
I spat my tea out! I love how you write.Hope Strangelerbot doesn't see this.
He's busy outputting his next award-winning screenplay. Inputted from a novel written by a human, naturally.
I think both were unusual choices for this movie,I believe Anne Rice was quite unhappy with the idea of Tom Cruise playing Lestat but she changed her mind about that.She ought to have been more upset at Antonio Banderas playing what is supposed to be a cherubic looking 17 year old! In fairness I didn't know that until I read the books which was after seeing the film. He might have actually made a better Louis.
I didn't much care for Kirsten Dunst as Claudia either but then she's not a likable character.
I still like the film lots,the costumes,the glassware,Theatre des Vampires was an amazing set.
Tom Cruise looked really good with long hair I think. Suited him much better than his signature short style.
Antonio is a good actor, so he gets a pass. There are so many great actors in this world, so choosing to waste the lush trappings of this movie on a vapid model and a one-note megastar was such a waste.
Dunst can't act, I feel. Terrible throughout her career.
One day someone ought to make a truly mesmerising vampire movie. I'm still waiting. I might just have to do it myself. Yeah yeah rightA couple I know are getting married
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leBratPrincess — 9 years ago(April 03, 2016 12:38 PM)
Antonio is a good actor, so he gets a pass. , Tom Cruise looked really good with long hair I think.
THAT right there is what happens when you don't read all the source material and sit back and judge like you really know what you are talking about. Yes he is a good actor but no he does not get a pass for this performance. Just no and so many levels of no.
Neither does Cruise.
Banderas was a tad too old to be Armand, Cruise was just too ugly to be Lestat.
Yet you are entitled to have your opinion and no one else is?? How does that work.