Gotta Watch!
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Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 13, 2021 11:01 PM)
I like it how Andy is just gone.
Starting with how quickly Red comes out and looks down and doesn't see him because he is worried that Andy is dead after asking for that rope.
Then the Warden throws that rock at the poster making a hole and you hear the rock trickle down the hole.
Sticks his hand through the poster and there is the hole.
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bigbadwolf666 — 4 years ago(June 13, 2021 11:59 PM)
yea I like that scene and was just watching it but I later thought about it. It doesnt make any sense? He is going to be digging for about 19 years and nobody would notice all the dust and rocks under and around the wall? Nobody would check the poster? Nobody would notice these huge holes on the other side? Nobody is going to hear the noise he makes for 19 years and is he really going to take all the rocks and dust to the outside by his pants and then again nobody is going to notice his pants full of dust and rocks and when he is outside nobody is going to see the dust and rocks he is piling up outside? All of this 19 years and then at the end nobody notices he is wearing other shoes. The many times he got caught in trouble or they hated him nobody thought about wrecking his room and destroying it all catching something suspicious in the act? All of this for 19 YEARS!!? Where he might've even gotten paroled in the last one. All of this effort and countless sleepless nights for one year? Makes no sense.
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation. -
bigbadwolf666 — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 12:57 AM)
yea goes with the story and to add to that angle. He of course was never transferred to anywhere. Even for bad or good behavior. It was his own private room where nobody touched anything and people fell for the hammer in the book trick.
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation. -
bigbadwolf666 — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 12:55 AM)
He of course also couldve been lucked that he had somehow the corner or the wall where it lead to the escape but for 19 years nobody checked that section even for repair or maintenance which somehow lead him free.
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 12:28 AM)
Well, ya know… movies.
LOL
And what else makes it unbelievable is that his cell remained untouched for the two months he was in solitary?
There are little things in public IRL one can do without getting caught.
For example I have been writing the words, "Collecter's Item" on Aunt Jemima products in a groc. store for my own grins and giggles.
I have done it more than once and have yet to be caught.
There are other little things I have done in public, that I cannot think of at the moment, that were not exactly illegal but I might have gotten into trouble if I had been seen.
So I think Andy can get away with little things such as cleaning up and getting rid of the dirt in the yard. -
Cheeky — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 12:47 AM)
Like I used to open up the Playboy's to the centerfold in the stores when I was a teen
If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana -
bigbadwolf666 — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 01:12 AM)
We're not talking about some chalk and dust. Where talking about an entire hole in a wall plus all he had to dig for 19 years to get out. You really think nobody would notice any of that? Especially the guards that notice everything. They somehow didnt make an example out of him by actually bbquing his library like he said he would. Had he done that he couldve easily found at least the hammer. Without the hammer, no more digging. I dont think it makes sense how they didnt tear his room apart just to make an example and that wouldve easily gotten clues. The dust? He'd have to somehow clean every spec off the ground and wall and then somehow not get caught dragging dirt all around. Just for starters. Not to mention the clothes dusted up plus the piles of sands and rocks he'd have to leave somewhere on the outside without anybody noticing. He'd always be covered in dust which anybody would notice and suspect. The guards were also extra soft on Red when Andy escaped. In real life they'd have him crying confessing to the hammer plus his odd behavior lately, plus the rope, and on and on till they probably killed him.
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 02:15 AM)
The methane gas in the poop pipe would have killed Andy so you gotta suspend disbelief for that too.
Let's talk about Red and the hayfield.
Three things.- I like how they show the shelf in the pawn shop with the guns making you think that is what Red is contemplating getting and it was the compasses he was looking at instead.
- I wonder how long it took him to find it and would that have even been possible to have found it at all?
It seems like it was tucked away surrounded by other fields as opposed to being off a road. - Did you ever notice how when Red finds the rock how he looks around to check to see if anyone else is there at least twice?
I thought that was a nice touch.
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bigbadwolf666 — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 02:47 AM)
yea, somehow I let that one go because in the weirdest sense I thought he can get passed that. I mean 500 yards is not impossible but they dont really show how pale blue he'd be once he gets out. THey dont even show him covered at all from head to toe with ****. He'd probably puke at least a dozen times.
I dont even consider Red at all. I always thought he was too stupid and it really gets me that he's not even supposed to be black.
To me the Movie really ends once he gets out. Everything else is just filler including the people getting it.
I never liked their dynamic. It seems fake because in real life blacks and whites dont get along but this issue is not really brought up in the movie and they get along fine. Even if they are both white do you really think people trust each other so good? Especially with that sweet note ending. Seems too romantic and fictional. They portray Andy almost like a God but why would he give a **** about Red or the rocker, or anyone else? Since when bankers, lawyers, whites any good? In real life he mightve gotten along just fine with the warden and the warden wouldve just gave him a piece of the pie. END OF STORY!
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 05:06 AM)
I don't mean any disrespect…
You have a lot of complaints for a movie you were excited to watch and have as number two on your list of prison movies.
I'll go back and re read the thread again but is there anything you did like about it?
Well, you are entitled to your thoughts, opinions and likes and dislikes on it just the same as me and everyone else.
It seems like at this point that I may like it a bit more.
Funny thing is that I do not own it where I usually would for a movie I like this much.
Because I have seen it a lot and it comes on TV enough.
I think you are forgetting that Andy was accused of being a double murderer and perhaps that is why he got the respect of Red.
Plus he started out as being a customer.
What really made him friends with some of the inmates was negotiating beer for them while he himself gave it up and didn't drink one.
IMO in prison color doesn't always matter.
They are all equal of being in the same boat so I believe that some will get along with each other because that is all they got and they are stuck there.
Why did Andy care about Red, Tommy the rocker etc?
There was something in Red's narration about why did Andy do something.
I think it was the tax break for Hadley.
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bigbadwolf666 — 4 years ago(June 14, 2021 06:15 AM)
I didnt think of them as true complaints but criticism. I like the film in many aspects that I'm not going to go into detail right now but instances… the acting, direction, cinema, score, what it tries to do with the story. The purpose and intrepations. What's it trying to say. The enduring of it. That it was based on Stephen King; short story though he really didnt do anything, that this little film went against the giants and it's considered the best movie of all-time, the details of the film, part of it's character developments, and quotes. But When I take it out of fiction and see it as a realistic interpretation. There is a lot to be desired.
You may, if you'd think so. It used to be my top film until the other had way more realism so it topped it off. It probably dropped from No.2 but I cant think of a better prison film right now. Plus they've been giving it a lot lately.
I might not own it because they give it a lot. It's a good film to watch on tv but probably not to own since it's too long and depressing and I dont remember the special features being impressive.
He might've been accused of double murder but he never acted like a murderer. They just respected him at first for his grit. But I found that whole development lacking. It is not mentioned much but at times it appears a sort of homoeroticism. It is never quite clear what is there connection but they are in a jail and the homosexuality is quite often. I dont think Red really cared about his customers. It is never shown having any sympathy for his business except for Andy.
The Beer scene never really made any sense. Except to try to develop a character in need of being liked. He risked being thrown off the roof for a bunch of guys that he really didnt know nor wouldve done anything for him and somehow he didnt like beer either. It was just all for the act which also didnt go well with the story because here the guards were willing to give and bend for him but anywhere else they just liked to abuse and take from him whereas they actually just given him a little bit or a piece of the pie it wouldnt have made any sense why he'd turn on them. It also wasnt ever really explained how he got so much money and they being so obsessed with it and details and everything didnt notice money being skimmed. It's not like they were willing to give him anything whatsoever.
Nor his caring for the inmates. Time and time again they showed this good willing character but in prison such people are taken advantage of and abused. This part is strongly left out except for the guards which they try to demonise as the evil of all evil whereas convicts are there for a reason and it's out right said that all of them are right out convicts.
I think you need to go to prison more. There is no way that Red didnt use some sort of racist connection to get his bootleg through but it really didnt make sense in the content of the film since he was black and there really wasnt many black people around and why pull for him? It wasnt like he was pushing drugs and making a killing on the trade enough for the guards to give a damn to help. A fellow win what? A few extra cigars?
yea more fiction. They mentioned a bit but only for a positive light how jail turned him to a true convict and made him do bad things he otherwise wouldnt. They even go as far as self-pitying the character to accepting a murder he didnt really commit. This falls out out of realism when they dont really show the real animal he wouldve become.
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.