It's not until the end we discover she is the main wolf, the carrieryet people still are puzzled by her, and think she m
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presk8er — 18 years ago(February 14, 2008 07:31 AM)
I've tried to see where the OP is coming from in thinking this. One of the questions being thrown around I read was if she was the wolf why didn't she "wolf out" on Stewart during their fight. Maybe she didn't wolf out on Stewart because she wants Will to. By Will tossing the amulet hes giving up his chance to be normal again for her. I mean look at it like this she's in love with the Will that is the wolf not the Will whos normal. Normal Will didn't have any type of passion for life, his own wife cheated on him. If she were the wolf she would want him to stay the way he is. As far as her wolfing out on Stewart she could have control over herself to hold it back. That might even explain why she could be around animals or even the fact that those were her horses that shes has had probably for years and they dont perceive her as a threat we as Will and Stuart were just recently turned. At the police station she might not have been scared but more surprised that there was another wolf. I mean she even tells Will before she leaves his room that whatever it is he has it might just be a gift. Then look at the ending when she acts to blaze about the whole thing. Even her father he may have been one also. He just laughed a short laugh to himself. Im just saying there may be more there than just the obvious and I think thats what the OP was trying to say. There is a level of mystery in the movie. I mean just look at how MP acts during the whole thing her reactions arent that normal. When she sees Will tell his wife to hit the road she just kinda sits there with this look doesnt say a word. Im just sayin dont bash the OP for sayin it couldve been MP. They are just looking at everything. I mean it could just be easier to say what everyone is saying that he got bit, bit stewart, slept with her, and then she turned at the end. But look at the whole thing. I think it could be either way but its more interesting to go with the mystery of it. But it could just all be a coincidence or just be real cut and dry. If she was the wolf that did bite him it would be too much of a coincidence with them meeting and her father being his boss. Even the fact that she said she has an apartment for when shes even in town. That shows she doesnt live there. But again Im throwing out a lot of what ifs and maybes. This movie is awesome start to finish. Go with mystery or go with cut an dry its up to you. But there is a directors cut out there that has just about 86mins of extra footage. I think it was only available in the UK. But look at the trailer there is definatley some things missing from the movie that were in the trailer.
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crazy-vamp — 17 years ago(March 29, 2009 02:08 PM)
Nice for you to point this out.
It could also be that as someone suggested before, Laura was born this way, and so was at least a part of her family - that 'could' explain something about her brother, I think. -
BabyGirl1980 — 18 years ago(March 16, 2008 12:54 AM)
I'm inclined to agree that Laura (Michelle) was the original wolf that bit Will (Jack) at the start of the movie. As far as the 'expert' doctor is concerned, he was just going with the legends and theories. Besides, the expert was working from the theory of someone being BITTEN by a wolf-carrier, not someone who was possibly BORN a wolf. Who's to say that she wasn't BORN that way? Maybe because of that (being born like half-wolf and half-human), she was somehow able to control it. She may have been frightened by Stewart (James) at the police station because of how evil and wicked and horrible he was. Perhaps she was scared of Will when she thought he killed his wife because SHE THOUGHT HE KILLED HIS WIFE. Human or wolf, murdering someone is kinda scary, don't you think? The horses weren't afraid of her because they were used to her. She didn't hear her phone ringing when Will did because she was ignoring it/ pretending not to hear it. She didn't turn into a wolf like Will and Stewart in the barn sequence because that was THEIR fight, not hers. Males wolves will fight to be dominant in the wild to be able to mate with the dominant female, which in this case was Laura. Working on the theory that she was born a wolf and therefore able to control it, explains why she didn't transform into a wolf during the full moons. She raced to the police because Will confessed to possibly killing his wife, not because he turned into a wolf. When Jack made love to his wife, why didn't she start to show some kind of signs of turning into a wolf, if it's possible that it's transmitted through sex? Her horror at seeing Will transform into a wolf may have been due to the fact that she had never seen it happen, only having gone through it herself. Besides, the expert says if a MAN is bitten by a wolf, maybe women are better at not letting the wolf spirit take total control of them. Also, look at the fact that she was going to take him to a doctor or retreat or whatever to get him help, but then didn't because he turned full-on wolf because they weren't able to leave on time. Maybe she was kinda hoping that she could have a lifelong mate by helping Will to learn to control his inner wolf like she had learned to control it. She did seem kinda sad watching Will as a wolf run off into the wild. At the end of the film, after going through all of that, maybe she was like 'screw it' and decide to embrace some of her gifts- like super-smelling and super-hearing. She not only commented on smelling the vodka on the cops breathe then walks away a few paces while he says something to his partner, then she turns and says something about being able to smell when she was too far away to have heard what he sorta whispered to his partner. (Can't really recall how that scene goes, it's been a while since I last saw the movie.) Anyhow, I can go with either theory (her a wolf the whole time or her a wolf only at the end), but I kinda walked away from my first viewing with the vague idea that MAYBE she was the original wolf, but it wasn't until this thread that I actually really thought about it. Now I can kinda see how it IS possible that she was. Anyhow, that's just my view on it.
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General_Asshole — 18 years ago(March 16, 2008 10:38 AM)
Some people just refuse to take into account the possibility that she was lying (acting) the whole time. She was the puppet master so to speak.
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Dream_Demon — 17 years ago(May 30, 2008 04:44 PM)
I always thought that the original wolf wasn't MP. However, going along with this theory, who's to say that MP was a wolf from the start, but still wasn't the original wolf? According to this topic, I've made three theories on the number of werewolves in this film.
Theory 1 (Topic maker's view)
Orginal Wolf (MP. Was turned or born a wolf prior to movie)
Will
Stewart
Theory 2 (Opposite view to topic maker)
Original Wolf (Not MP)
Will
Stewart
MP (Was turned into a wolf through either Will or her passion for him)
Theory 3 (My theory which I'm posing just as a possibilty.)
Orginal Wolf (Not MP)
Will
Stewart
MP (Was turned or born a wolf prior to movie)
I tend to go with Theory number 2 although the topic maker's theory and my theory could be reasonable if MP's character was just simply pretending not to be a wolf after Will's fight with Stewart.
Oh and for whoever said this:
Also these arent werewolves, they dont change to and from Wolf form..these are wolves that were once human, and once you fully turn into a Wolf, you cannot change back (The doctor says as much)
They are Werewolves. Just because they can't change back into human doesn't mean they're not werewolves. Have you looked up actual legends and folklore on werewolves? Just like the Vampire, variations of the werewolf legend (and other were-creatures) are found all over the world, and just the legend of the Vampire, these variations can be similar but very different.
One of the oldest werewolf legends around would be the story of king Lycaon from Greek Mythology, and in that story, Lycaon does NOT change back into a wolf, just like it's implied that Will doesn't either. However, it's never shown what happens to Will after he fully transforms, so it isn't known if he turns back into a human. Even if he doesn't, he's still a Werewolf.
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martytamu27 — 14 years ago(February 03, 2012 02:50 PM)
Right you can explain the behavior away for either case.
but the overriding thing that convinces me that she was the original werewolf iswhy would the director show her as a werewolf at the end?
To me that doesn say "oh there are other werewolves that roam the woods and one of them bit jack"
it says "ah twist, she was the wolf that bit jack at the begining and knew all along"
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baw-10 — 17 years ago(August 23, 2008 05:55 PM)
What is interesting is when Jack scares the horses upon his first visit to the estate. He then feels pained and retreats through the hedges, only to meet a relaxing Michelle Pfeiffer. She tells him that he is an idiot for scaring the horses (how could she have seen this? and why is she so calm), that he obviously scares animals (not just horses) and that he hasn't learned how not to scare them (perhaps as she has learned?). This could be evidence that she is indeed the one who infected him.
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aneiltosteel — 17 years ago(December 14, 2008 05:46 PM)
My theory is that the OP is both right and wrong. I've read on here that the third act of the movie was totally changed after they had finished filming. I think that the original story was for Michelle to be the wolf that bit jack, that is why all the clues are there but they decided to change the story and that is why she suddenly starts to act all scared of Jack. i may be wrong
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malachiX2000 — 17 years ago(February 01, 2009 12:16 AM)
It amazes me how when someone comes up with what they think is a "brilliant" new theory they refuse to admit when the actual film goes directly against it. It's like all those guys who insist the ending to Taxi Driver was just a dream even though the freaking writer says it wasn't.
Laura being the first Wolf is a neat idea but the film clearly does not imply that and in fact suggests that Laura is only a Wolf at the end. Everyone who argues for this theory just ignores big parts of the film or tries to rewrite them in their mind.
Honestly, lets pretend for the sake of argument that Laura is a wolf and just doesn't defend herself against Stewart so that she can make Jack transform. If she's a Wolf then why is she so horrified when she starts to suspect Jack is? Why do we see her crying, when Jack isn't around, at the thought that all this might be true? Why can't she hear the phone ring from far away like he does (and she's not faking it because she make a point to ask the cop how long he's been ringing)? Why doesn't she scare the horses?
And the expert CLEARLY says that the wolf will take over and the man will be no more. He doesn't say "he can change back!" He clearly explains that there is no man once the wolf takes full control. And to the guy who said, "maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about" then why the hell is he in the movie in the first place? Honestly, I hate guys who try to rewrite the movie like this. The old man is a character who is shown in every instance to be an expert and to tell the truth. If he didn't know what he was talking about the writers wouldn't have written him into the film.
And for those who say, "it's a werewolf film and that means they change back," I say "NO IT'S NOT!" When I first saw this as a kid and since seeing it many times since, I was always struck how they refused to say the world "werewolf." It's clear that they were trying to show something else. Perhaps the "true" phenominon that inspired werewolf legends but it's clear that this was something different.
What's really funny is that all this seems to come from Phifer's eyes at the end because they are the same as the first wolf. Have any of you stopped to think maybe all the "demon wolfs" have the same style eyes in the end and it was to indicate that she was becoming a wolf now? -
ovod — 17 years ago(February 01, 2009 06:58 AM)
I cannot agree with you more, mate
There is nothing to add - it might seem tempting to add some more "layers" to the movie, which is fairly straightforward most of the time, to make it more complex. but it's not neccessary, it's interesting and fun to watch anyway. -
bufster3 — 17 years ago(April 03, 2009 05:14 PM)
I have to disagree. When Dr. Alezais tells Will (Nicholson) about werewolves, he says that sometimes a person doesn't even need to be bitten in order to become a wolf. They simply become so by what Dr. Alezais refers to as the passion of the wolf. Also, if Laura (Pfeiffer) were already a wolf, she could have transformed into a wolf to fight off Stewart (Spader). And the movie points out, more than once, that the horses are afraid of Will because he is a werewolf. The horses are not afraid of Laura because she is not a werewolf.
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hippiewanab — 16 years ago(April 30, 2009 03:33 AM)
I have to agree. I just saw the movie for the first time and from the very beginning it seemed obvious to me that she was the wolf that bit him. How when he first started feeling weird, she was just there and not at all worried about his condition. How he seemed drawn to her. I think the sex theory is out because both werewolf characters had sex with his wife after they were bitten and she didn't turn. No one ever said she couldn't hear the phone ringing, she simply just asked him how he could hear it. She went to the police because she was scared because she thought he had killed someone. I must also be the only one who noticed how old the pictures he was looking at in her house lookedthey looked really old. It was also strange how two people in her family had died and her brother was considered to be crazy (what drove him crazy?) She doesn't seem weirded out by him telling her how he's changing, it seems to attract her more to him. The way he describes her the first time they really talk together sounds like she was keeping a secret. She didn't have enough time to turn if she had gotten scratched or bit in the fight. Also, the fact that they made it a point at the beginning to show the wolves eyes, neither of the characters that turned into wolves had yellow eyes, but she did. Also at the end where she mentions the Vodka on the officers breath, her dad just laughed instead of being shocked, he also didn't question her nonchalantness about the situation. It just all points to me that she is the original werewolf that bit him and it pointed that way for me from the very beginning
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pfalkyk — 16 years ago(May 19, 2009 03:02 PM)
i don't believe so. i see no connection to prove this claim AND!!! (this really is the clincher!!!) the horses were mortally terrified of Will when he was barely even beginning to feel his wolf nature. yet michelle's character could ride the horses without difficulty EXCEPT when Will appearewd & frightened the manure out of them.
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artistathome — 16 years ago(July 04, 2009 09:40 AM)
Tp the OP, that is so dumb. how in heck can you make up stuff like that? Try rewatching the movie.
Just because the wolf who bit Will had yellow eyes does not mean it is Laura Alden. All the wolves eyes were yellow and Stewart and Will had yellow eyes as well. As soon as she started turning her eyes turned too.
All the wolves had yellow eyes. Laura and Will adn Stewart WERE NOT WOLVES. They were werewolves. Big difference. Later on if Will did not wear the amulet he would have turned completely.
Think about thisf she was a werewolf (not wolf)
she would have scared the horses,
Not been afraid of Will or Stewart,
Not have wanted to turn Will in to the police,
If she had super human powers she would not have been been taken off guard by him, she could have defended herself.
If the producers intended for her to be the original wolf they sure made a bad movie out of it.
If you think the movie shows she is the original wolf, we clearly did not see the same movie.
