It's not until the end we discover she is the main wolf, the carrieryet people still are puzzled by her, and think she m
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Dream_Demon — 17 years ago(May 30, 2008 04:44 PM)
I always thought that the original wolf wasn't MP. However, going along with this theory, who's to say that MP was a wolf from the start, but still wasn't the original wolf? According to this topic, I've made three theories on the number of werewolves in this film.
Theory 1 (Topic maker's view)
Orginal Wolf (MP. Was turned or born a wolf prior to movie)
Will
Stewart
Theory 2 (Opposite view to topic maker)
Original Wolf (Not MP)
Will
Stewart
MP (Was turned into a wolf through either Will or her passion for him)
Theory 3 (My theory which I'm posing just as a possibilty.)
Orginal Wolf (Not MP)
Will
Stewart
MP (Was turned or born a wolf prior to movie)
I tend to go with Theory number 2 although the topic maker's theory and my theory could be reasonable if MP's character was just simply pretending not to be a wolf after Will's fight with Stewart.
Oh and for whoever said this:
Also these arent werewolves, they dont change to and from Wolf form..these are wolves that were once human, and once you fully turn into a Wolf, you cannot change back (The doctor says as much)
They are Werewolves. Just because they can't change back into human doesn't mean they're not werewolves. Have you looked up actual legends and folklore on werewolves? Just like the Vampire, variations of the werewolf legend (and other were-creatures) are found all over the world, and just the legend of the Vampire, these variations can be similar but very different.
One of the oldest werewolf legends around would be the story of king Lycaon from Greek Mythology, and in that story, Lycaon does NOT change back into a wolf, just like it's implied that Will doesn't either. However, it's never shown what happens to Will after he fully transforms, so it isn't known if he turns back into a human. Even if he doesn't, he's still a Werewolf.
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martytamu27 — 14 years ago(February 03, 2012 02:50 PM)
Right you can explain the behavior away for either case.
but the overriding thing that convinces me that she was the original werewolf iswhy would the director show her as a werewolf at the end?
To me that doesn say "oh there are other werewolves that roam the woods and one of them bit jack"
it says "ah twist, she was the wolf that bit jack at the begining and knew all along"
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baw-10 — 17 years ago(August 23, 2008 05:55 PM)
What is interesting is when Jack scares the horses upon his first visit to the estate. He then feels pained and retreats through the hedges, only to meet a relaxing Michelle Pfeiffer. She tells him that he is an idiot for scaring the horses (how could she have seen this? and why is she so calm), that he obviously scares animals (not just horses) and that he hasn't learned how not to scare them (perhaps as she has learned?). This could be evidence that she is indeed the one who infected him.
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aneiltosteel — 17 years ago(December 14, 2008 05:46 PM)
My theory is that the OP is both right and wrong. I've read on here that the third act of the movie was totally changed after they had finished filming. I think that the original story was for Michelle to be the wolf that bit jack, that is why all the clues are there but they decided to change the story and that is why she suddenly starts to act all scared of Jack. i may be wrong
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malachiX2000 — 17 years ago(February 01, 2009 12:16 AM)
It amazes me how when someone comes up with what they think is a "brilliant" new theory they refuse to admit when the actual film goes directly against it. It's like all those guys who insist the ending to Taxi Driver was just a dream even though the freaking writer says it wasn't.
Laura being the first Wolf is a neat idea but the film clearly does not imply that and in fact suggests that Laura is only a Wolf at the end. Everyone who argues for this theory just ignores big parts of the film or tries to rewrite them in their mind.
Honestly, lets pretend for the sake of argument that Laura is a wolf and just doesn't defend herself against Stewart so that she can make Jack transform. If she's a Wolf then why is she so horrified when she starts to suspect Jack is? Why do we see her crying, when Jack isn't around, at the thought that all this might be true? Why can't she hear the phone ring from far away like he does (and she's not faking it because she make a point to ask the cop how long he's been ringing)? Why doesn't she scare the horses?
And the expert CLEARLY says that the wolf will take over and the man will be no more. He doesn't say "he can change back!" He clearly explains that there is no man once the wolf takes full control. And to the guy who said, "maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about" then why the hell is he in the movie in the first place? Honestly, I hate guys who try to rewrite the movie like this. The old man is a character who is shown in every instance to be an expert and to tell the truth. If he didn't know what he was talking about the writers wouldn't have written him into the film.
And for those who say, "it's a werewolf film and that means they change back," I say "NO IT'S NOT!" When I first saw this as a kid and since seeing it many times since, I was always struck how they refused to say the world "werewolf." It's clear that they were trying to show something else. Perhaps the "true" phenominon that inspired werewolf legends but it's clear that this was something different.
What's really funny is that all this seems to come from Phifer's eyes at the end because they are the same as the first wolf. Have any of you stopped to think maybe all the "demon wolfs" have the same style eyes in the end and it was to indicate that she was becoming a wolf now? -
ovod — 17 years ago(February 01, 2009 06:58 AM)
I cannot agree with you more, mate
There is nothing to add - it might seem tempting to add some more "layers" to the movie, which is fairly straightforward most of the time, to make it more complex. but it's not neccessary, it's interesting and fun to watch anyway. -
bufster3 — 17 years ago(April 03, 2009 05:14 PM)
I have to disagree. When Dr. Alezais tells Will (Nicholson) about werewolves, he says that sometimes a person doesn't even need to be bitten in order to become a wolf. They simply become so by what Dr. Alezais refers to as the passion of the wolf. Also, if Laura (Pfeiffer) were already a wolf, she could have transformed into a wolf to fight off Stewart (Spader). And the movie points out, more than once, that the horses are afraid of Will because he is a werewolf. The horses are not afraid of Laura because she is not a werewolf.
I think the whole point of Dr. Alzais' comment about not having to be bitten is for us to refer back to when Laura becomes a wolf at the end without having been bitten. -
hippiewanab — 16 years ago(April 30, 2009 03:33 AM)
I have to agree. I just saw the movie for the first time and from the very beginning it seemed obvious to me that she was the wolf that bit him. How when he first started feeling weird, she was just there and not at all worried about his condition. How he seemed drawn to her. I think the sex theory is out because both werewolf characters had sex with his wife after they were bitten and she didn't turn. No one ever said she couldn't hear the phone ringing, she simply just asked him how he could hear it. She went to the police because she was scared because she thought he had killed someone. I must also be the only one who noticed how old the pictures he was looking at in her house lookedthey looked really old. It was also strange how two people in her family had died and her brother was considered to be crazy (what drove him crazy?) She doesn't seem weirded out by him telling her how he's changing, it seems to attract her more to him. The way he describes her the first time they really talk together sounds like she was keeping a secret. She didn't have enough time to turn if she had gotten scratched or bit in the fight. Also, the fact that they made it a point at the beginning to show the wolves eyes, neither of the characters that turned into wolves had yellow eyes, but she did. Also at the end where she mentions the Vodka on the officers breath, her dad just laughed instead of being shocked, he also didn't question her nonchalantness about the situation. It just all points to me that she is the original werewolf that bit him and it pointed that way for me from the very beginning
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pfalkyk — 16 years ago(May 19, 2009 03:02 PM)
i don't believe so. i see no connection to prove this claim AND!!! (this really is the clincher!!!) the horses were mortally terrified of Will when he was barely even beginning to feel his wolf nature. yet michelle's character could ride the horses without difficulty EXCEPT when Will appearewd & frightened the manure out of them.
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artistathome — 16 years ago(July 04, 2009 09:40 AM)
Tp the OP, that is so dumb. how in heck can you make up stuff like that? Try rewatching the movie.
Just because the wolf who bit Will had yellow eyes does not mean it is Laura Alden. All the wolves eyes were yellow and Stewart and Will had yellow eyes as well. As soon as she started turning her eyes turned too.
All the wolves had yellow eyes. Laura and Will adn Stewart WERE NOT WOLVES. They were werewolves. Big difference. Later on if Will did not wear the amulet he would have turned completely.
Think about thisf she was a werewolf (not wolf)
she would have scared the horses,
Not been afraid of Will or Stewart,
Not have wanted to turn Will in to the police,
If she had super human powers she would not have been been taken off guard by him, she could have defended herself.
If the producers intended for her to be the original wolf they sure made a bad movie out of it.
If you think the movie shows she is the original wolf, we clearly did not see the same movie. -
UmnOK — 16 years ago(August 02, 2009 10:49 PM)
(Let me say I think the confusion comes into play because the director didn't acutally spell it out but assumed people would put it together with the cluesYeah Mike didn't acutally work!
Anyway Yes she is the original werewolf she was choosing a mate. Notice her Father's reaction at the end of the movie! Remember when Will first goes to the house for the dinner party when he get's fired and he complains about the lack of silver ware no SILVER! The dinning ware was made of gold! Also people how the heck do you think she could stay undetected behind Jack when he arguing with his wife in the hotel lobby. Notice how she sits there undetected like a predator!
I wish the Director had just made it clear I mean sense this movie came out people have been arguing about this man sometimes you really need to spell it out.
PS the horse theory doesn't hold water it is explained in the movie that the Alden family has trained horses for years hint.
Another hint is the shot of the old wolf in the forest just after Jack is bittenThat long shot on him is a clue hint, hint.
Honestly I think the confusion steams from bad editing and not clearly stating there are some serious plot holes in this movie. -
kridge200 — 15 years ago(March 16, 2011 04:53 PM)
And she somehow caused his car to spin-out in the exact spot where he met the wolves at the beginning? I didn't know werewolves were cable of psychically making people lose control of their car, that's a new one.
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gpreciat — 14 years ago(June 25, 2011 09:53 PM)
It annoys me when ppl are fixated in one resolution and dont see the big picture, like her being able to be around horses, and the horses being fine with her, but not being fine with Jack.
Plus she would have already been a wolf, not a human, the name of the movie is not werewolf, its wolf, the man becomes a wolf, not a werewolf. -
xthe_shiznitx — 14 years ago(September 05, 2011 03:19 AM)
The only thing that perplexed me about the entire movie was how the whole pretending to be hurt by the car in order to bite Jack plan the werewolves had come up with in the beginning. How often does that pack of wolves do that trick. Because there where at least 10-12 wolves in the treeline staring at Jack when the one wolf runs into the trees. I mean, they must have been busy for at least 8 or 10 months getting new recruits so to speak. I doubt Michelle was one of them either because she had never met or seen Jack's character before he got bitten after the conference thing. So why would Michelle setup a trap to bite Jack if she hadn't even met him?
