Dean Keaton was kaiser Soze
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stppat — 10 years ago(November 17, 2015 08:34 AM)
Verbal was absolutely Soza. He was ready to post bail and leave. As soon as his name was brought up by the cops, he couldn't resist but gloat. Damn, watch the very beginning again, when he pisses on the trail of fire. It's not completely liquid. It's thick, cause he was dehydrated, just like he say's when he asks for the coffee. He told it all 'I'm telling it straight, I swear' he just changed names. Tell me every last detail. When Kujian said 'I'm smarter than you' That was a challenge. So he told him EVERYTHING just to beep with him.
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treach33 — 10 years ago(January 06, 2016 11:51 PM)
Yeah also the gold lighter and the watch from evidence again dead giveaway that he was in fact the shooter.
I think the part that really gives away he was Soze was when he starts walking normal and then we all realize he's not really crippled. That's when it hit me that he was Soze and that he was pulling the strings from out in the open the whole time right in front of everyone's noses. The fax was really unnecessary at that point but again it was intended to drive the point home in case there were still any doubts.
And yeah that whole made up story he told in the office was just to mess with the detective. At that point he didn't need to say anything because he had his immunity.
The film is much more effective when Kujan realizes that he just let the Devil himself walk out free and I believe that to be the Director's intention all along. The film's ending just wouldn't have the same impact any other way.
The whole Soze legend itself was more BS so people would never think it was him. Also done to strike fear of course.
Also, don't forget the famous tag line which pretty much gives everything away. "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist"
Even back when I watched this film a long time ago I thought all this was made pretty clear there really was no ambiguity. I mean its fun to come up with new theories and of course anyone is welcome to view the film however they want but this is really not one of those films that leaves you really questioning much in the end or at least not the stuff that really matters. If there would have been more ambiguity perhaps I would have given it a higher rating but in this case it was all pretty clearly spelled out in the end. Still a top-notch film!
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denise1234 — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 12:38 PM)
jbaddock^
"Gabriel Byrne thought that he was playing the part of Soze until he saw the completed film."
Yep.
And, apparently he wasn't too pleased when he found that out
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move_over_fatso — 10 years ago(January 02, 2016 08:48 PM)
As much as I respect Byrne and his work, I do think the actor is being a chump about it. There's no proof Keaton died on that boat. The only tie to Keaton being shot & burned is Verbal Kint's testimony, which everyone should understand is a fabrication. The movie may had demonstrated Keaton dying in multiple segments, but the movie is presenting visuals of an unreliable narrator. Keaton may have actually been Kaiser Soze, successfully executed his target, and never got shot, and Kint is just following through with his end of their contract.
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Klockard23 — 10 years ago(November 18, 2015 12:07 AM)
I think the movie made it pretty clear that Verbal was Keyser. The only other person who I'm even willing to accept culd be Keyser is "Kobayashi" (whatever his real name was), but it was most certainly not Keaton.
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dominicd — 10 years ago(January 17, 2016 06:14 PM)
seriously though, there is room to argue he was Soze
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every picture tells a story
, as the great Rod Stewart once sang. And to me there is no room
watshisname
wasn't from Turkey, or even Hungary?
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com:443/data.filmboards/images/upload/g18iedK.jpg
no, Keaton was his cousin
- DominicD
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Always make the audience suffer as much as possible.
" - A. Hitchcock
- Hm. I think
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dominicd — 10 years ago(January 26, 2016 02:16 PM)
The opening scene of the movie shows what really happened and wasn't from Verbal's POV. Soze killed Keaton who made clear he recognized him.
True. And of course, Verbal did weave a compelling account of what happened on the dock and ship, and that of his profound admiration for Keaton as though he were some sort of kin; of which was underscored by agent Kujan's utter dislike for him. Yet the killing of Keaton was important, as it secured a loose and final knot for
Keyser Soze
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"O' what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive " - Marmion, Sir Walter Scott
- DominicD
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RugGuy — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 03:19 PM)
I heard the two people behind the film had different views on who was Soze
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Who ate the two people you are referring to? Did you hear they said it or did you get the knowledge from the commentary or an interview?
