Episodes where ray was right and Debra was wrong
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jgrv-1 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 03:08 PM)
Thank you, Joseph.
"Lateness" is the one episode where I am 100% on Ray's side. And it really pisses me off that the writers "let" Debra win in the end. Horrible, horrible, horrible.
If you love someone, you don't constantly keep him/her waiting and make him/her late, especially for his/her big night. How arrogant and self-centered can you get?
If I were Ray, not only would I have left without Debra, I would've made her sleep on the couch for a week. -
JosephASpadaro — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 09:01 PM)
Yes! You're welcome.
If I were Ray, not only would I have left without Debra, I would've made her sleep on the couch for a week.
or, better yet, make her sleep across the street at Frank's and Marie's for the week
Ha! Ha! -
Wildstyle26 — 9 years ago(May 09, 2016 12:29 PM)
But you can argue if your spouse cares about the event you're going to, and being with you, shouldn't they make an effort to actually be ready on time, rather than having you sit around waiting on them when you'd like to be there early, or on time?
Something similar happened in
Friends
. Ross had a big night for his job. He wanted to leave in 30 min. But everyone was dragging around. Rachel, his girlfriend had her hair and make-up done, but then had to go through multiple outfits and decide what to wear.
Finally Ross snapped at her and told her he didn't care what she wore, or what she thought made her look fat, just get in her room, and put on something. Then she got an attitude, changed into sweats and decided to stay home.
People argued he shouldn't have snapped because she was trying to look good for his big night. But there's argument if she really cared about his night, she should have had clothes ready a day or so in advance, if it was gonna take her ages to decide on something.
So the one dragging around seems to be the more selfish, than the one who got fed up and left. The tardy one had the same amount of time as the other to be ready. Apparently they care little enough about things to start getting ready around the last min. -
Wildstyle26 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 02:28 PM)
Another one. It's a small one.
But the episode in
Season 1. The Game
.
It's storming out, Ray just put Michael to sleep and sits to watch tv. Debra says Ray could at least look at her before 3 hours of tv. The tv goes out, and Debra wants to sit and talk and gets offended when Ray doesn't want to. So he agrees, and she turns to him and says
"So, go ahead."
And I agree with his response.
No, no. This is what you always do. You say "let's talk", and then you throw it to me. You say "let's talk", then you should have topics ready.
She's the one who wanted to sit and talk, but it's on Ray to start up the conversation. -
Candyhearts27 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 05:27 PM)
As far as Lateness goes, I think that was both their faults. Yes, it was wrong of Ray to leave, but it was also wrong for Debra to take a long time. Ray even said the night before that he feels she doesn't care about him when she does this. Debra looked really nice, and I didn't see anything wrong with her hair. Had Ray waited and not left, then he would be in the right. Debra could say, "It's not my fault the curling iron got stuck," and Ray could say, "Actually, it is!" But, no, he did the wrong thing. They both did. I felt for Ray in this episode, but I don't agree with him leaving without her. I would say it's 70% her fault, and 30% his.
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SkiesAreBlue — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 08:02 PM)
I agree with you. In another post I commented that rather than yell at her from the bottom of the stairs, he could have gone up and found what was wrong. He didn't hear an answer and that would have made me concerned. Debra could have unplugged the hair tongs and come down to ask for help. But neither would have been funny for the show. Poor Ray, crucified again
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jptf2 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 09:08 PM)
I'll just list a few people haven't mentioned:
The Gift: Ray knew his father better than Debra and was correct that the fish dying reminding him of death was not what he was upset about.
Recovering Pessimist: Forced optimism never got anyone anywhere.
The Children's Book: Debra tries to write it herself but gives up, Ray finishes it for her, she gets pissed off, re-writes what he wrote, and then when Ally liked Ray's better, he decided to lie to her because he didn't want to hurt her feelings. What's she so pissed off about?
Let's Fix Robert: Apparently Ray is the bad guy for wanting to tell Robert the truth about their manipulation.
Christmas Present: This backfired on Ray, but he cleverly unpacked Debra's ulterior motives and hypocrisy. She
likes
having things to complain about so she can make the marriage seem totally unbalanced.
Boob Job: How DARE he like his wife's boob job. -
EnnJaySee — 9 years ago(May 12, 2016 08:17 AM)
Lol at some people here. Those who think he was right to leave her behind are wrong. You're wrong. That is not a healthy relationship, that's a cancerous one. That's a relationship doomed to failure the second you leave your other half behind. That is a major mistake, it's hurtful, it's wrong. Being late in getting ready is just annoying, it's an irritation, it's not terminal. Women are well known to hardly be on time, this is well known to all men. We put up with it. Men are forever waiting on their wives lol my dad knows all too well what that's like but he would never leave my mum behind. That's unhealthy and people who think it's alright to leave them behind are doomed to end up alone. Yes the woman should be ready, it's a pain in the ass when they aren't but it's nothing compared to your other half ditching you.
Goodbye.
#VivaLaBull - "Go away. You aren't even American" -
JosephASpadaro — 9 years ago(May 12, 2016 08:26 AM)
It's a passive/aggressive "power trip" on the part of the woman. It's all about power and control.
How is
that
healthy for the relationship?
So, if one person (the woman) is on a power trip and needs to gain control through passive/aggressive behavior, the relationship already has problems.
Let's not pretend that the problems arise or are caused by the husband not waiting. -
Wildstyle26 — 9 years ago(May 12, 2016 11:43 AM)
And I am a woman. I start getting ready early, so I can be out of the house by a certain time. If the guy is dragging around, chances are I am gonna leave. Ultimately, he could have left with me had he cared, and gotten ready on time.
If anyone is tardy, sounds like a personal problem they need to work out, rather than intentionally being careless, waiting until the last min. and excepting people to just go on pause for them. -
andrereichenbacher — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:28 AM)
I completely agree with you. A while back there was a thread on here discussing whether or not Ray was right to leave Debra behind in "Lateness". And as I recall, it was split right down the middle. Some, like me, felt that Ray was in the wrong to do what he did and that one does not "A.I.S." one's wife, because "it just ISN'T done", and the rest of the contributors were on Ray's side, saying that Debra had more than enough time to get ready and should not have put the straightener in her hair with only three minutes to spare. It became quite a heated argument, and I was chastised by some posters for saying what I said. Well, I dont care. I still believe that what Ray did was wrong and that Debra had every right to be furious at him when he returned. And it was pretty funny at the very end when he was sitting on the bed with the cheap flowers waiting for her, and then he groans in defeat. That was funny!
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everydayimbrusseling — 9 years ago(May 14, 2016 06:09 AM)
Definitely Let's Fix Robert & The Annoying Kid.
I'm surprised no one said Bully on the Bus, Favors, The Sigh, The Ingrate, Meeting The Parents or Blabbermouths. Ray was 100% right in those. & that's just off the top of my head.
He was right most of the time.