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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Donnie Brasco
bijinius — 10 years ago(September 06, 2015 10:28 AM)
Please
somebody
tell me i'm
not
the only person on this website who finds the whole 'drama' with the Japanese Restaurant and Depp's fking boots
PATENTLY
absurd. Lefty
dismantles
Don's car for fear of a recording device. Significant time goes by, throughout which we are reminded time and time again that Lefty is
deeply
mistrustful of mostly everyone and everything. Suddenly, his boy basically breaks the fk down in front of the whole crew about
removing his damn boots
on the grounds that, what, his father was supposedly killed in action while fighting in the Pacific Theater of World War II? That his reasoning for keeping his boots on is because of some problem with the Japanese and their customs? He
didn't make a stink about going to a
JAPANESE
Restaurant
i mean, NO SMALL WONDER the fkin' morons got caught, man.
THIS. MAKES. NO. SENSE. These Mob idiots
live and die
by people turning coat
ALL THE TIME.
And they don't even demand to see what he's hiding in them cowboy boots of his??
i could take this movie
entire
down a whole star, i hate this scene, and where it ends up so much. (Beating the
very
insistent waiter to a bloody mass in the washroom; NO QUESTIONS in regards to Donnie's
whacked out
behaviour.)
That's kids stuff, it really is. Can you imagine a similar scene in, say, "Heat"?? The guy refusing to take off his boots? woulda been 'clipped' THAT NIGHT and stuffed into a garbage bag-lined trunk. But i digress! It's a weak scene in a very good movie. -
JohnSmythe — 10 years ago(September 11, 2015 12:02 PM)
I found it odd as well, but perhaps by that point given how many illegal acts Donnie had been a part of and they never got any heat for it, they really did accept him as being one of them. Plus Donnie was quick on his feet with the excuse that his father died fighting the Japanese and refused to take any 'orders' from them. He pulled the right strings at the right time in the right way. Realistic? Not so much, but highly cinematic.
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degree7 — 9 years ago(April 09, 2016 01:42 AM)
It didn't play it very convincingly. I doubt a waiter would be that adamant about having customers take off their shoes, I'm sure he could have found them a table where they could wear their boots.
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mikeyg24 — 9 years ago(April 19, 2016 08:20 PM)
I don't know if you're familiar with the real story but it was ultimately Sonny Black's affection for Donny that lead to his downfall. Having read the real story I have no problem accepting that Sonny would have backed up Donny standing against a 'nip' who made him into an orphan.
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pop-actor — 9 years ago(May 24, 2016 05:16 AM)
I would have said ''I need to use the bathroom'' take the mic out of my boots & comeback - It would have save a hell of a beating for that Japanese's guy.
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manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 03, 2016 01:20 PM)
That was a great scene. It reminded me of the scene in Falling Down where Michael Douglas beat up an Asian store owner of a convenience store. In this film, I thought it was cool the way Johnny Depp said he wasn't going to take orders from a fuxxcking jap." And the other guys defended him. He was one of them. "Don't you fuxxcking move." The Jap should have backed off. He was not doing his job, because when a customer insists on something like wearing shoes, the jap should have backed off. "The customer is always right."
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cabal24 — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 10:25 AM)
Having read the real story I have no problem accepting that Sonny would have backed up Donny standing against a 'nip' who made him into an orphan.
This is correct. Sonny Black would have sided with Donnie over any non made guy. This wouldnt even have raised a thought in Sonny Blacks mind. To him, it just meant "civilians shouldn't F with made guys". -
manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 12:03 PM)
It does raise a question. And that is whether in general wiseguys let "citizens" alone. This scene suggests that if one of their own was hassled, they would commit violence agains the citizen to exact a measure of revenge. Still, based on a comment I read that Pistone made, wiseguys didn't harm citizens, or at least they didn't kill citizens. Although if it was a business matter with a negative impact on them, wiseguys would attack citizens.
I get the impression, thouhg, that wiseguys generally did not attack citizens on personal matters. But it's not clear to me. I have just sent for Pistone's "Unfinished Business" book. Maybe that will shed some light on the issue of violence toward citizens. -
cabal24 — 9 years ago(July 06, 2016 06:03 AM)
I have read that and I don't think it mentions this. Though I suspect it is because non made guys rarely have the ability to stand up to hardened thugs with an entire network of other hardened thugs behind them.
If citizens are allowed to stand up to made guys, WTF is the point of being made? Granted it rarely happens but I cant see a scenario where a made guy would side against another made guy.
Say Donnie was walking down the street and a group of guys were walking the other way. One decides to not move (Donnie sure as hell isn't moving) and the inevitable confrontation happens. Is Sonny going to A) have Donny's back? B) Stay neutral or C) side with the group and tell Donnie he is out of line? If B or C happens, I think the mob is done for within a year (or at least that crew). -
manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 06, 2016 12:07 PM)
I see your point.
I just thought of another question. That is whether all made guys are bad guys. I don't know where I read this- maybe it was a biography about Joe Bonanno. I seem to recall that Mr. Bonanno said that members of a family of whihc he was the "father" included doctors and lawyers." That doesn't seem plausible if all made guys were required to ice someone. -
cabal24 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 06:38 AM)
Joe Bonanno was a complete liar. I also read that book and you have to develop a sort of mental filter to get rid of his ceaseless bull. Kind of like Henry Hill (though Bonanno is way more articulate). Though some of Bonannos stuff is fairly accurate IMO, he totally glorifies himself. He was a "Man of Honor", dammit
The mob are first and foremost thieves, not killers. The murder stuff is done primarily to keep the thieves in line since they arent exactly known for self discipline.
There are indeed mob lawyers and doctors. Lawyers are used to keep the staff out of jail and Drs are necessary for the inevitable shootings. Also to procure drugs. That happened a lot too.
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manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 06:42 AM)
I think you aree right. I guess I wanted to believe that maybe these guys were human. Well, maybe they are human, but they are bad humans. I am now reading the Unfinished Business book. It certainly reinforces what these guys were like.
