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mikeyg24 — 9 years ago(April 19, 2016 08:20 PM)
I don't know if you're familiar with the real story but it was ultimately Sonny Black's affection for Donny that lead to his downfall. Having read the real story I have no problem accepting that Sonny would have backed up Donny standing against a 'nip' who made him into an orphan.
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pop-actor — 9 years ago(May 24, 2016 05:16 AM)
I would have said ''I need to use the bathroom'' take the mic out of my boots & comeback - It would have save a hell of a beating for that Japanese's guy.
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manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 03, 2016 01:20 PM)
That was a great scene. It reminded me of the scene in Falling Down where Michael Douglas beat up an Asian store owner of a convenience store. In this film, I thought it was cool the way Johnny Depp said he wasn't going to take orders from a fuxxcking jap." And the other guys defended him. He was one of them. "Don't you fuxxcking move." The Jap should have backed off. He was not doing his job, because when a customer insists on something like wearing shoes, the jap should have backed off. "The customer is always right."
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cabal24 — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 10:25 AM)
Having read the real story I have no problem accepting that Sonny would have backed up Donny standing against a 'nip' who made him into an orphan.
This is correct. Sonny Black would have sided with Donnie over any non made guy. This wouldnt even have raised a thought in Sonny Blacks mind. To him, it just meant "civilians shouldn't F with made guys". -
manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 12:03 PM)
It does raise a question. And that is whether in general wiseguys let "citizens" alone. This scene suggests that if one of their own was hassled, they would commit violence agains the citizen to exact a measure of revenge. Still, based on a comment I read that Pistone made, wiseguys didn't harm citizens, or at least they didn't kill citizens. Although if it was a business matter with a negative impact on them, wiseguys would attack citizens.
I get the impression, thouhg, that wiseguys generally did not attack citizens on personal matters. But it's not clear to me. I have just sent for Pistone's "Unfinished Business" book. Maybe that will shed some light on the issue of violence toward citizens. -
cabal24 — 9 years ago(July 06, 2016 06:03 AM)
I have read that and I don't think it mentions this. Though I suspect it is because non made guys rarely have the ability to stand up to hardened thugs with an entire network of other hardened thugs behind them.
If citizens are allowed to stand up to made guys, WTF is the point of being made? Granted it rarely happens but I cant see a scenario where a made guy would side against another made guy.
Say Donnie was walking down the street and a group of guys were walking the other way. One decides to not move (Donnie sure as hell isn't moving) and the inevitable confrontation happens. Is Sonny going to A) have Donny's back? B) Stay neutral or C) side with the group and tell Donnie he is out of line? If B or C happens, I think the mob is done for within a year (or at least that crew). -
manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 06, 2016 12:07 PM)
I see your point.
I just thought of another question. That is whether all made guys are bad guys. I don't know where I read this- maybe it was a biography about Joe Bonanno. I seem to recall that Mr. Bonanno said that members of a family of whihc he was the "father" included doctors and lawyers." That doesn't seem plausible if all made guys were required to ice someone. -
cabal24 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 06:38 AM)
Joe Bonanno was a complete liar. I also read that book and you have to develop a sort of mental filter to get rid of his ceaseless bull. Kind of like Henry Hill (though Bonanno is way more articulate). Though some of Bonannos stuff is fairly accurate IMO, he totally glorifies himself. He was a "Man of Honor", dammit
The mob are first and foremost thieves, not killers. The murder stuff is done primarily to keep the thieves in line since they arent exactly known for self discipline.
There are indeed mob lawyers and doctors. Lawyers are used to keep the staff out of jail and Drs are necessary for the inevitable shootings. Also to procure drugs. That happened a lot too.
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manage-932-700755 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 06:42 AM)
I think you aree right. I guess I wanted to believe that maybe these guys were human. Well, maybe they are human, but they are bad humans. I am now reading the Unfinished Business book. It certainly reinforces what these guys were like.
