Ending question (spoilers)
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juviejay — 19 years ago(August 03, 2006 12:26 AM)
To me, the final scene sort of justified (a little bit) Jackie's killing of Marty. He did, it seems, initiate the incestuous relationship. He was (initially) the aggressor. But she didn't fight him too hard. In fact, within a few seconds, she decides to play (and master) the game. The smile and gaze she flashes into the camera is both sinister and deranged. I felt a little less bad about Marty being killed, but Jackie is the true villain.
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Violet_Loves_Iliona — 18 years ago(October 04, 2007 06:35 AM)
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, I think you have it absolutely spot-on. Couldn't have said it better myself!
In fact, when Tori Spelling's character comments "I don't think your crazy. Just spoiled", doesn't Jackie reply "Well, it's no fun if you're going to tell the truth"? I think it was all a part of the life of privilege and indulgence that Marty, Jacky and Anthony have been lucky enough to experience. -
PunkRockAphrodite — 19 years ago(August 16, 2006 11:49 PM)
I always thought that the relationship had already been established. The game was just sex play. It was routine, they'd already been together since the party. jackie O tells Anthony that she and Marty had been together since he was a kid. Since he left college, he'd be about 19. Jackie O and Marty are about 25, right? So since the kids in the video are about 15/16, Anthony would have been 9. Which means that it makes sense for them to have already been intimate with each other. The "Stop" Jackie O says is probably just a tease, or maybe a fear of being discovered.
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juviejay — 19 years ago(August 22, 2006 12:06 AM)
Hum. I thought Jackie and Marty were older, say in their early thirties. But maybe I'm just thinking of the ages of the actors, Posey in particular. The action is set 20 years after the Kennedy assassination, but we are not told how old the kids were when this happened. Maybe they were only 5 or 6. Maybe that explains why Jackie thinks Mrs. Pascal killed Mr. Pascal (like Vardaman thinks his mother is a fish in "As I Lay Dying"). I just figured it was their first encounter because it was shown at the end of the movie. I mean, if it happened earlier why not show it happening earlier? Why go back to that day? Because of the Ides of March Party and Jackie dressing up like Jackie Kennedy? Perhaps. But to me it has more significance if that is their first encounter. And, even if it wasn't, Marty still seems to be the aggressor.
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teresathebarista — 19 years ago(September 16, 2006 12:41 AM)
I believe that it did happen earlier. When she and Marty are talking about the initial incest, they're talking about getting ready for the Ides of March party and how she was waiting for the macaroni to dry on her dress, so she wasn't wearing the whole thing yet. This incident with the camera appears to be one of what is suggested to be many times of them "dressing up" and "playing pretend", or whatever you wanna call it, that happened sometime after the party.
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Violet_Loves_Iliona — 17 years ago(October 27, 2008 05:08 AM)
I think that was when they were preparing for the Ides of March party, and therefore was their first time they crossed over from fantasy and flirtation to actually expressing their desire for each other.
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louisdenaro — 11 years ago(July 23, 2014 07:05 PM)
The beginning of the movie captions the Young Jackie-O tour as "McLean VA, March 1971" so to my mind this is supposed to be the prequel to the Ides of March party that is referred to in the film. A portion of the script reads: "You walked over to the couch". "I was waiting for my skirt, macaroni wouldn't dry". "And I followed the seams of your stockings; then I was afraid". "So I began the game". Perhaps the idea that she's wearing a dry skirt is a continuity error, or perhaps there is another skirt that is drying somewhere, but it looks to me like the initial get together is what we are looking at here, with Marty being scared and Jackie-O beginning the game.
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YodaFan465 — 19 years ago(December 31, 2006 09:37 AM)
I got the feeling that Jackie didn't want to pretend to be Jackie Kennedy anymore, but Marty kept pushing her (possibly because he thought it was funny). Thus, her insanity, and her constant modeling after Jackie Kennedy was Marty's fault, because when she wanted to abandon it, he wouldn't let her.
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Reading_Rainbow — 14 years ago(June 06, 2011 03:51 PM)
having just watched the movie last night i can say with certainty that marty did not rape jackie-o. at least that is not how the final scene was intended to be perceived. the look on her face while she says 'stop it' is nothing shy of wolfish. she is (as previous posters have confirmed) torn by her desire but not ashamed (like marty).
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david-2263 — 14 years ago(February 07, 2012 07:42 PM)
Just watched it for the second time. "Do you want me to stop filming?" "Yea" (slow, seductive and knowing smile), "Stop it." (i.e. "stop filming and let's do something else.") They were equally culpable.
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tehck — 10 years ago(September 07, 2015 01:57 PM)
I say it was Marty. After watching again for the first time in many years, I have come to a different conclusion about the flashback at the end. It was Marty who started it all the Kennedy fixation and the incestuous relationship. I suspect he persuaded Jackie O to become that. That was his name for her, not one she chose for herself.
It never made sense to me that he had shared HER delusion. His sitting there on the couch pretending to be waving from a motorcade seemed far more bizarre than her wanting to dress up like Jacqueline Kennedy a style icon and cultural model for a whole generation.
No, I think it was Marty who was obsessed with JFK and his beautiful wife and wanted to live out that fantasy. He cajoled or coerced his sister into going along, including seducing (abusing) her. After years of this perverse abuse, "Jackie O," snapped and shot him for real. He had driven her crazy. Of course, she committed the violent crime, so she was put away. That actually makes a lot more sense to me than the version Lesley comes to believe.
Finally, if their mother had seen Marty as a victim, she wouldn't have wanted him to come back and continue supporting his deranged sister's fantasies. She would have wanted them separated, not together. Also, if the daughter had initiated the incest, the mother would probably be more likely to accept that the incest had actually occurred. Instead, she tells herself she's not sure that's what happend. Her story is that her daughter is ill, not that her son is a child molester and incestuous rapist. Still, she sees the daughter as a victim and wants the son there because that's what the daughter wants. -
JesseTheRebel — 10 years ago(September 19, 2015 04:41 AM)
You are nuts if you feel it was Marty that started it all. She was sitting on the couch with her legs open and tells him to shut of the camera so they can do other things. He keeps getting closer and is like "so you want me to stop?" and she says "yes stop" with a seductive look on her face. She wanted him to stop filming her so they could do other things that she had in mind, meaning she initiated it all.
She even says that she started it all because he was too scared or are you people that dense that you can't see the look on her face as she says stop?
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