Disclaimer, I'm not saying it's not.
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OutForAWalkB-tch — 10 years ago(March 14, 2016 11:38 PM)
Maybe my way of thinking is messed up, but I was kind of nonplussed? After hearing about how 'disturbing' the scene was, I kept waiting for something interesting to happen. The only slightly creepy part was the chanting at the beginning. Other than that, everything appeared to be consensual. My friend even said "Soit's just a voyeur club?". Not really that scandalous to me.
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kaskait — 10 years ago(March 17, 2016 05:45 PM)
The only slightly creepy part was the chanting at the beginning. Other than that, everything appeared to be consensual. My friend even said "Soit's just a voyeur club?". Not really that scandalous to me.
You missed the implication that it was a black magic, blood ritual which was celebrated on the solstice. This ties into a theme Kubrick used in The Shining. That also took place during Christmas.
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StaunchWoman — 9 years ago(August 03, 2016 09:09 AM)
What I find disturbing is what could be going on in other rooms, on other floors.
What we don't see.
Scenes from 'Sal, or the 120 Days of Sodom' keep flashing in my mind.
http://www.imdb.com/board/10073650/?ref_=nv_sr_1
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countdown-to-zero — 9 years ago(August 03, 2016 06:35 PM)
"Why is the orgy scene "disturbing"?"
Well, firstly because it is not an orgy at all, as that implies a 'free for all' voluntary participation by all parties, and clearly, this quite starkly is most definitely NOT the case in relation to Somerton.
The Somerton scenes are rigidly structured, hierarchical, and are played out as a set of rituals in which there are clear demarcations (primarily by class, secondarily by gender or ethnicity), in which some of the 'participants' are obviously sex slaves unwittingly there to be abused by the sadistic elite, the gathering of the wealthy-corrupt in secret acting out their violent sexual fantasies and excesses as an obscene, vulgar adjunct to their everyday domination of society and its functioning.
It's not an orgy; it's a (patriarchal and capitalist) power ritual, the purpose of which is to perpetuate oppression and exploitation (of everyone, ultimately) by corrupt elites, the agents of power and capital (themselves enslaved to such institutions, even though they are so corrupt that they don't even know it), a ritual in which there is invariably a victim, a scapegoat or 'sacrifice' (Mandy/Mysterious Woman), and an initiation, a potential new future recruit (Bill Harford) to the cabal, to the elite. -
kaskait — 9 years ago(August 08, 2016 07:43 AM)
a ritual in which there is invariably a victim, a scapegoat or 'sacrifice' (Mandy/Mysterious Woman), and an initiation, a potential new future recruit (Bill Harford) to the cabal, to the elite.
Definitely. And it is occurring on the Winter Solstice which gives it more power.
This group definitely won't let Bill live his merry little life now that he has seen what they really are. He'll either be subsumed by them or meet up with an "accident". My bet is on the former because we see him closing his eyes to the criminality at the end. -
marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(September 16, 2016 08:43 AM)
It's not an orgy; it's a (patriarchal and capitalist) power ritual, the purpose of which is to perpetuate oppression and exploitation (of everyone, ultimately) by corrupt elites, the agents of power and capital (themselves enslaved to such institutions, even though they are so corrupt that they don't even know it), a ritual in which there is invariably a victim, a scapegoat or 'sacrifice' (Mandy/Mysterious Woman), and an initiation, a potential new future recruit (Bill Harford) to the cabal, to the elite.
it is an orgy, its a large group of people having sex.
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countdown-to-zero — 9 years ago(September 16, 2016 12:20 PM)
You need to educate yourself on the subject of 'orgies' and on what is happening in the film, because, from your posts, it would appear that your knowledge of film is restricted to children's cartoon movies. The Somerton power rituals by a corrupt elite, in which we witness sex slaves, in which occurs the sexual abuse, torture, rape and murder of people, is not an 'orgy' in any known sense of the term. In the same way as the earlier sexual abuse of a female child in the film - in Milich's costume rental store "Rainbow Fashions" - by two paedophiles with Milich pimping his own child, his own daughter, was not an 'orgy', but the gang rape of a child overseen and orchestrated by her deranged father, so deranged that he projects his derangement onto the child herself: "Can't you see she is deranged!?", just like the abusive madman Jack Torrance in Kubrick's previous "The Shining", who, after violently abusing his son Danny, tries to convince his distraught wife Wendy with the obscene lie: "I think he did it to himself"
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The Kraken — 3 years ago(March 28, 2023 03:30 AM)
I saw this movie for the first time when I was still a virgin so yeah the entire orgy and that creepy ceremony before the orgy felt satanic especially those creepy masks.
But now while watching the movie, the only disturbing thing was the ritual before the orgy and the masks.