Harsh on Percy?
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eddiewinehosen — 12 years ago(March 21, 2014 07:58 PM)
Well JC feels things about people and as he said "I punished the bad men" indicating that Percy even though he hadn't committed a crime was through and through evil just as Wild Bill.
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MonoEnojado — 11 years ago(September 06, 2014 10:14 PM)
Percy wanted to make Del pay for laughing at him when he pissed his pants. Percy was a really bad dude. I mean, he certainlt didn't expect to create such a mess by not putting the sponge on Del's head, but he knew he would suffer more if he didn't. Also, remember he stepped on Mr Jingles and he broke Del's fingers at the beginning of the film. Also, on the book he's even more despicable.
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holatKolnoa — 1 year ago(December 20, 2024 05:05 PM)
"he knew he would suffer more if he didn't"? He'd suffer more if he
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wet the sponge? I don't understand. Can you explain?
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andlovesaidnohim — 12 years ago(November 12, 2013 05:30 AM)
I think Percy knew something would happen to Del to make him suffer more but he was essentially a coward and the reality of it actually happening in front of him was too much to bear.
He was a nasty person who was simply sadistic and felt no remorse for his actions. Del did and John said "you can't hide what's in your heart" and a very clear view of Percy's character came when he begged the other guards not to put him in a cell with Bill (who implied he wanted to rape him) as punishment and the other guards quickly realized he only said that because that it what he would have to them had the shoe been on the other foot.
I also don't know whether John planned for Percy to become a vegetable or whether insanity was a side-effect of whatever John did which I would guess was to show exactly what Bill did from the perspective of the Detterick girls. -
BrianZKing-1 — 12 years ago(November 17, 2013 02:12 AM)
Del was far worse than Percy. Del raped and murdered a six year old girl, and set her building on fire to cover it up, killing half a dozen other people.
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BrianZKing-1 — 12 years ago(December 01, 2013 05:52 PM)
Ah, here we are:
He had raped a young girl and killed her, and had then dropped her body behind the apartment house where she lived, doused it with coal-oil, and then set it on fire, hoping in some muddled way to dispose of the evidence of his crime. The fire had spread to the building itself, had engulfed it, and six more people had died, two of them children.
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WendingWanderer — 11 years ago(August 07, 2014 08:25 PM)
In the book, John is almost like an idiot-savant.
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In the book, John couldn't read, couldn't tie his own shoe, and seemed to have very little intelligence. He didn't remember what had happened with the little girls until he touched Wild Bill and "read" it from him.
There seems to be a force that flows through him, letting him "hear" what's going on inside the people around him (without really understanding it), know who is hurting, how to help.
John seems to be almost pure empathy, with very little intellect.
I highly doubt he had the intelligence to plan to take the illness from the woman, hold it inside himself (at considerable pain to himself), and give it to Percy. It's more like he was led to do it by the force that flowed through him and used him. -
bradleyluke79 — 12 years ago(November 26, 2013 10:05 AM)
I understand where you're coming from. Percy is violent and sadistic towards prisoners who have done despicable things so maybe they deserve it. And they do. But this wasn't Percy's way of punishing them for what they'd done. Percy just wanted to make them suffer. He showed no remorse, no empathy, no sympathy and was just a terrible person. Whereas with Delacroix for example, he committed a horrible crime, but while on the mile he showed a sensitive kind to him, this was something Percy lacked, Percy was just and all round terrible person. The fact that Delacroix had slight happiness annoyed him, so he crushed Delacroix's only friend and last piece of happiness before he killed Delacroix in the most inhumane way possible.
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bradleyluke79 — 12 years ago(November 26, 2013 10:07 AM)
I understand where you're coming from. Percy is violent and sadistic towards prisoners who have done despicable things so maybe they deserve it. And they do. But this wasn't Percy's way of punishing them for what they'd done. Percy just wanted to make them suffer. He showed no remorse, no empathy, no sympathy and was just a terrible person. Whereas with Delacroix for example, he committed a horrible crime, but while on the mile he showed a sensitive kind to him, this was something Percy lacked, Percy was just and all round terrible person. The fact that Delacroix had slight happiness annoyed him, so he crushed Delacroix's only friend and last piece of happiness before he killed Delacroix in the most inhumane way possible.
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rachel-wyyung-1 — 12 years ago(January 10, 2014 07:12 PM)
Personally I think education makes a difference also. Del killed so if course he was bad, but after all people like him obviously shows they had no education no good upbringing. Thus some of them made poor choices in life. However, Percy had connections and he certainly didn't look like he was from poor family background, he was educated and yet he still developed such ruthless and sick personalities made him a real scumbag.
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strntz — 12 years ago(January 19, 2014 08:15 AM)
Personally I think education makes a difference also. Del killed so if course he was bad, but after all people like him obviously shows they had no education no good upbringing.
Good point. Some people are born rotten (Percy), and others have never been shown love or taught right from wrong.
One thing that Del said that was very telling was when, right before his execution, he told Paul, Brutal, Dean, and Harry that they good men, and he wished he had known them earlier in his life. Had he grown up around better types of men, his life may have taken a whole different course. I didn't read the book, but Del on film was clearly remorseful of what he had done.
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CartmanRocks — 12 years ago(January 11, 2014 03:35 PM)
The prisoners were rapists and murderers, but the sweet little mouse was not. Anyone who steps on a poor little mouse on purpose doesn't deserve to live, in my opinion.
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Dinosaw — 12 years ago(February 13, 2014 12:53 AM)
Yes he was very sadistic in the film sabatoged dell's execution but did he deserve to be turned into a vegetable?
I think he rightfully deserved that - it was far from cruel. I mean, did he die? No. Was he in living in pain? Didn't look like it - he seemed more like chilled afterwards.
And if that had not happened, he would've been in prison - which is a worse punishment than being in mental facility I say, no? Oh, in prison for killing a cold blooded murderer!
I actually thought that the prison guards were more 'harsh' on Percy - When Percy was talking scornfully to the dead body, I didn't see why Brute had to be a 'white knight' on Percy by telling him off (you hypocrite, you were also involved at executing him).
Percy was overall bratty. But the guards seemed overly harsh on him, considering that he was only assaulting prisoners on death row rather than innocent hospital patients. They should've thought about that a little.
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rickb69 — 11 years ago(March 27, 2015 10:04 AM)
I actually thought that the prison guards were more 'harsh' on Percy - When Percy was talking scornfully to the dead body, I didn't see why Brute had to be a 'white knight' on Percy by telling him off (you hypocrite, you were also involved at executing him)
Brutal was just doing his job. Percy said to the dead prisoner "Send us a post card from hell and let us know if it is hot enough for you." Brutal said the prisoner paid his debt to society and that he was square
Del was remorseful when he was in the electric chair and he said don't forget about Mouseville. Percy said there is no Mouseville, that the other guards only told him that fairytale to keep him quiet. Harry looked like WTF. Percy didn't wet the sponge when he put it on Del's head and Del literally fried to death instead of being electrocuted
And if that had not happened, he would've been in prison - which is a worse punishment than being in mental facility I say, no? Oh, in prison for killing a cold blooded murderer!
Percy also killed wild Bill in cold blood, granted wild Bill was a murderer. Wild Bill was on death row and would have been executed
Percy was overall bratty. But the guards seemed overly harsh on him, considering that he was only assaulting prisoners on death row rather than innocent hospital patients. They should've thought about that a little.
The prisoners are already on death row, that doesn't give Percy the right to assault them
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MissTexasMcCoy — 12 years ago(February 13, 2014 01:41 PM)
I feel the same way you do. People who have not read the book, and have only seen the film, seem to find it much easier to like and feel sorry for Del, and hate Percy. The book describes both characters somewhat differently. In the book, Del is in prison because he raped and murdered a young woman, then tried to hide her body by setting it on fire behind the building she lived in. The building caught on fire and killed six more people, two of which were children. Stephen King describes Percy in the book similarly to the movie, but in the book the impression given is more that Percy is just a cocky, annoying young man who has an abrasive attitude and gets a big head trip out of being in law enforcement. He is a jerk, but the book didn't really make me
hate
him the way the movie tries to. SK also explains that Del's crime is one of the major reasons Percy hated him so much.
For John Coffey to
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Percy in the end seemed out of place to me. John was a miracle healer, it was not in his nature to harm anyone or anything.
Some people on this board like to make some sort of an analogy between John Coffey and Jesus Christ, I personally don't buy into that theory. SK isn't really one to go into theology all that much, and he doesn't hint at any such thing in the book. When I first saw this movie, when John grabbed Percy,
I honesly thought at first that John was going to "fix" Percy and turn him into a better person.
I do agree with you, it seemed strange and extreme for Percy to be given the fate he was. I know many people disagree with me on that, but that's just what I think.
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pentacleman — 11 years ago(April 12, 2014 02:21 PM)
Well, bear in mind that Jesus, though a healer and a man of compassion, was also able and willing to draw a hard line against the forces of evil. He grew enraged and ran the moneychangers out of the synagogue, he rebuked Legion and remorselessly cast the demons out of the possessed man, and he snapped at Simon Peter when the latter drew a sword and injured the slave of one of the Romans who had come to arrest Jesus.
So it seems that John Coffey has that side of Jesus in him as well. Most of the time he's like Saint Christopher, gently and compassionately helping those in need. But when he's confronted with a wicked heart like that of Percy or Wild Bill, that's when he turns into Michael the Archangel. Does that make sense?