Stupid Things about this show….
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WaningMoonMage — 12 years ago(December 04, 2013 01:03 PM)
Agree with all your points but the second one. It's just as much the men's fault for not using a condom.
And I still occasionally use the line "Why are you making it complicated? IT'S EASY!" That commercial made me LOL every time.
And another thing I hate is just how dumb people are in general. You find condoms and underwear and someone even called you can told you they had sex with your boyfriend but you don't know for sure if he's cheating. Your kid is a different ethnicity than you and your partner and you don't know for sure if you're the father. Your out of control teen is disrespecting you and all you do about it is cry and bring them on television to show how much you failed etc. -
Hater_Is_Here — 12 years ago(February 08, 2014 08:30 AM)
Agree with all your points but the second one. It's just as much the men's fault for not using a condom.
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that it is unfair for a woman to have 100% say in whether or not she is going to raise the baby, sometimes without telling or knowing who the father is and then using HER decision to alter the man's life forever once she proves he's the father. Keeping men in the loop before the baby arrives is key and should be enforced by law.
Look at Janelle from Teen Mom 2. She's recently had an abortion without telling the father that she was ever pregnant. Is it fair she aborted the child without telling him? What if he wanted to keep the baby had he known? If he had a right to keeping the baby then he also has the right to say "No, I cannot raise this baby, I want you to get an abortion or give the child up for adoption." Oh wait, only women have the right to make that decision even though as we both agree, "it's just as much the men's fault for not using a condom" (or the condom failing, or the woman lying about being on BC, because women haven't lied for the child payments before)
How would women like it if men could say "I know you don't want that baby, but you're going to carry it to term, AND you're going to help me at least financially in raising it". Now I know women bear the hardship of being pregnant/giving birth, but that is nothing compared to actually raising the child - and it sure as hell doesn't mean mommy is more of a parent than daddy. Yet dads who want an abortion or to give the child up for adoption have ZERO say in that. If that's the way people want it then fine, but don't ask for his money when YOU'RE making the decision to raise the child. It's an injustice to him and society overall by creating more poverty, which goes hand and hand with more crime and poorer quality of life.
It's a double standard to only honor the woman's decisions, and then turn around and say BOTH parents are responsible for the well being of the child. Are you arguing that men don't deserve the same rights as women when it comes to what is EQUALLY theirs? -
WaningMoonMage — 12 years ago(March 09, 2014 08:35 PM)
You actually made some good points.
But what I meant was that both parents should take responsibility for the kid because they both acted irresponsibly by having unprotected sex with a person they barely know. That would be the best thing for the child, not the stupid, selfish parents. I didn't mention abortion on purpose in hopes of avoiding a debate. -
Hater_Is_Here — 12 years ago(March 21, 2014 09:25 AM)
But what I meant was that both parents should take responsibility for the kid because they both acted irresponsibly by having unprotected sex with a person they barely know.
I also agree that they should share the responsibility - and the first part of that responsibility is how to handle the situation before birth. And yet women have full say in that matter, which is contradictory to the equal rights parents are supposed to have.
That would be the best thing for the child, not the stupid, selfish parents.
See, that's debatable. A mother can say that it'd be best for the child if she and the father took responsibility, while the father believes it'd be best for the child to be given to an adoptive (read: stable) family. But no, the mother keeps it, works a dead end job, receives government aid, collects money from the father (making him stoop lower socioeconomically) since they can't make their relationship work, and the child is then going back and forth from mom's house to dad's house every 4 days. So now, who is selfish and is this all better for the child in actuality? Is it better for society? How is making two people less financially stable better for society?
Things that are directly and strongly related to crime (both juvenile and adult) and/or lower quality of life: poverty, maladjusted youth, broken homes, incompatible parents, cramped households, overpopulation, higher taxes.
Things that would be reduced if both parents had
equal
say in whether to keep/adopt/abort: poverty, maladjusted youth, broken homes, incompatible parents, cramped households, overpopulation, higher taxes. -
WaningMoonMage — 12 years ago(March 24, 2014 06:22 AM)
See, that's debatable. A mother can say that it'd be best for the child if she and the father took responsibility, while the father believes it'd be best for the child to be given to an adoptive (read: stable) family. But no, the mother keeps it, works a dead end job, receives government aid, collects money from the father (making him stoop lower socioeconomically) since they can't make their relationship work, and the child is then going back and forth from mom's house to dad's house every 4 days. So now, who is selfish and is this all better for the child in actuality? Is it better for society? How is making two people less financially stable better for society?
I agree with you now. I didn't think of that because I was thinking more of my own family and how that worked out. -
gallileo60 — 11 years ago(August 21, 2014 01:13 PM)
- Unfair circumstance for the men: If a man doesn't have a say in whether or not the mother aborts (or puts the child up for adoption) the baby, then he should not have to promise Maury that he'll take care of a baby when a DNA test proves that a one night stand suddenly gets him stuck with a child that could have been 5 other guys'. Is it fair that men are suddenly called up and told that a woman he slept with a year ago and hasnt been with since suddenly accuses him of being the father?
So true, you should both agree to have it, or she is on her own - Women running backstage: WTF is that!! "MarkYOU ARRRE..not the father" aaaand cue the skank running backstage so that the audience cant boo her after she claims: "Maury, I am 10,000% sure he IS the father of my baby!!!" (so sure she had to say it while clapping her hands at every syllable). Then here comes Maury with his "Mark, get away can't you see she's upset! Stop rubbing it in her face, she only flew you all the way out here, called you out on national television, smacked you up a bit, called your mom a bitch who needs to mind her own business, had an audience of people boo you (cuz theyre all ethically perfect apperently), and acted like a little miss knowitall throughout the whole process, leave her alone she doesnt deserve any ridicule!"
This is what makes this comedy show so funny, fat cow runs to the back, falls down, and makes bellowing cow like noises
You Have a Hard Lip, Herbert..
Better Living Thru Chemistry
- Unfair circumstance for the men: If a man doesn't have a say in whether or not the mother aborts (or puts the child up for adoption) the baby, then he should not have to promise Maury that he'll take care of a baby when a DNA test proves that a one night stand suddenly gets him stuck with a child that could have been 5 other guys'. Is it fair that men are suddenly called up and told that a woman he slept with a year ago and hasnt been with since suddenly accuses him of being the father?
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Moonlighty — 9 years ago(June 27, 2016 01:08 PM)
I would disagree most are cute. Some are. A lot aren't. My point is Maury doesn't need to say it to make the mom feel good.
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.