I don't get the Force Awakens criticism
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Gurtinator — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 03:17 PM)
I liked it.
People who actually liked it, liked it because they thought they had to and because those people generally disliked the prequels.
I don't "have to" like anything. Revenge of the Sith was my second favorite after Empire when TFA came out.
There was probably a fear from fans that if they actually disliked the new film that (gasp!) if they looked at the original films they might suddenly see they don't hold up as well as their memories believe it to be.
I've seen them as an adult. Jedi does not hold up very well. A New Hope holds up ok. Empire holds up. The Force Awakens holds up.
It really was a reunion show. The actors are older, but somehow haven't really changed (like in any TV reunion show). The plot is similar to the glory days, etc.
Not at all.
Luke went from being a farm boy who wanted to explore the galaxy to becoming a recluse. Han went from being a carefree scoundrel to a sad old man who's pissing his life away trolling around the galaxy for an outdated ship, while Leia went and started leading yet another rebellion, except with her youthful idealism replaced by cold pragmatism. Both are shadows of their former selves, utterly destroyed by what happened to their son and their subsequent breakup, and are now clinging desperately to the lives they used to have while never really moving past what happened.
So no, the characters have changed a lot. The plot is vaguely similar in that one part of it centers around destroying a large superweapon (like in two other movies - that's kind of the Empire's thing), but the rest of the movie is its own thing.
It seems to me you missed a lot of the subtext.
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cbfan41 — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 07:41 AM)
I like TFA too a lot as well. I also totally get the criticism. Let's face it, it was Disney's version of ANH for 2015. Period. It was well crafted movie with some clever dialogue and amazing cinematography but really had no plot outside of member berries.
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GruesomeTwosome — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 08:12 AM)
^ Precisely, and I'm in the same boat. TFA was enjoyable and pretty well-made and all, but it was all nostalgia-driven fan service and didn't bring anything different to the table for Star Wars. Member berries, indeed.
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CSM_Model_101 — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 08:05 AM)
I keep saying this: "Terminator 2" was almost exactly like the first one, but everybody loved that movie.
Ugh, I have to do this again.
Yes the first 1/2 if Terminator 2 is like the first movie.
But the 2nd half, after they escape from Pascadero IS COMPLETELY NEW AND NOTHING LIKE T1.
Did Kyle and Sarah go to stop Cyberdyne in The Terminator???? NO, THEY DIDN'T.
Yet in T2 that was THE FOCAL POINT OF THE 2ND HALF OF THE FILM.
So NO they aren't the same movie.
Force Awakens is a complete retread of Star Wars 1977 (I am NOT calling it a New Hope, you can F Off, it's title when released was Star Wars, DEAL WITH IT). The plot is the same,they blow up a fancier Death Star, a old wise mentor dies. The whole damn film from start to finish is almost exactly like the original film.
No other movie that I can think of is like that besides The Thing prequel from 2011.
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peter-501 — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 10:38 AM)
TFA is like video game sequels. Let's do the same thing but make it just different enough that the fans will be satisfied.
The bigger question is what is up with the generation that grew up with these stupid films? I get it, I grew up with them too. But I also liked Sesame Street at some point in my life too. I grew out of it.
Why does Star Wars become this beloved classic when really it is just kind of a dumb sci-fi film for children? The original Star Wars (agreed the A New Hope stuff is lame) is really kind of dated. It looks like a sci-fi film from the era of disco haircuts, is filled with clichd characters, the acting is generally pretty bad and the story doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think too hard about it (how does the Death Star move across space, why does it need to clear the planet to destroy the moon, how do the droids happen to land within miles of Obi-Wan, etc.).
It should have been disposable pop culture but somehow it is this THING that generation Xers treat like a religion.
Seriously, I don't get it and I lived through it. Lucas could have started a cult from how people love this film! -
ImaWeabooApparantly — 9 years ago(October 29, 2016 04:05 AM)
The movie starts with a robot from the future sent to kill somebody from the Connor family. To fight it, the resistance sends somebody back to protect said Connor. At first, they don't trust the soldier they sent, but as the movie progressed, they develop a close bond with it. The final battle takes place in a factory. They destroy the robot, but at a cost, the Connor's protector dies too.
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CSM_Model_101 — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 01:24 AM)
You described the first movie.
The T-800 wasn't a solider, and John trusted the T-800 right after being saved in the mall by the T-800. Remember he got pulled off the bike by the T-800 just as the T-1000 was about to run over John in the Semi truck it stole.
Plus the T-800 in the 2nd movie VOLUNTARILY kills itself. It doesn't die like Reese did in the first film.
The entire 2nd half of T2 is completely different from the first half which makes them radically different films.
T1 Reese and Sarah do nothing to stop Skynet
T2 John,T-800 Uncle Bob and Sarah actively seek out Miles Dyson and they go blow up Cyberdyne. Yes both movies end in a factory where the final villain gets killed off. Which is another homage to the first film.
Unlike Force Awakens, where the entire plot is a map is with BB-8, and they escape the sand planet Jaku via the Falcon (which somehow Rey knows how to fly and fix despite her never flying something that big before and never encountering it before btw), the new Death Star aka Starkiller Base blows up a planet (rather planets) to show it's superior firepower and destroys planets helping the rebels. Finn and Han have to go on a rescue mission to save Rey much like Obi Wan and Luke are on a rescue mission to rescue Leia in Star Wars. Han gets killed on a similar balcony just like Obi Wan did when both let their guards down. Rey shouts NO!!!! just like Luke did when Obi Wan dies. They escape Star Killer base and the base gets blown up the exact same way the first Death Star does (apparently in the 30 years between episode 4,5,6 the new Empire hasn't learned to fix that weak spot yet since this would be the 3rd super weapon the rebels destroyed in the same way).
The whole movie is just repeating the original film that started all of Star Wars, unlike T2 which paid homage and then changed the plot around half way through the film while paying homage to the original film. -
CSM_Model_101 — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 08:07 AM)
it was liked by both critics and fans. Yes, it was similar to Star Wars, but it was still a good and very entertaining movie.
No, it's not.
IT IS THE SAME MOVIE AS STAR WARS FROM 1977. Instead of doing a proper sequel which they have 40 years worth of EU stories they could have adapted, they instead basically remade the first movie called it a sequel and idiots like you fell for it.
It sucked. And I will not rest until the whole world finally acknowledges that fact. -
peter-501 — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 11:47 AM)
Agreed, It is a remake that basically cast the original actors.
The funniest part is that it basically crapped all over the Expanded Universe stuff too - now called "Legends." It even took elements from the EU stories in the process, which does make one wonder why it wasn't just set in that universe.
Because now they can make a whole bunch more crappy novels and comics - and get the fanboys to buy it all over again.
A real space station could have been built for the money that has been produced from Star Wars! -
Jeff0015 — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 11:08 AM)
Since TFA truly is a bulletproof movie, South Park panning it is their way of TROLLING US! Hahah. The criticism that it is more of a reunion or retread is something I reject. A millenial Sith Lord and female Jedi is original AF!
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chutcher — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 09:36 PM)
Kinda a mixed bag for me. Sure, it had some cool scenes, but other than "you know who" dying, no real shock factor. The planet weapon should've shown a helluva lot more destruction. The nostalgia was nice. Not a movie I'd buy on DVD or go back to the theater to see. It is on HBO, and I did watch it again. Same result though.
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Airman87 — 9 years ago(October 29, 2016 01:08 AM)
When I first saw it the nostalgia was right there, because we hadn't seen those actors on screen in over 30 years. I think many people were blinded by emotion.
The more I think about it, though, the less I like it. I have a feeling the film won't stand up well to time.
When logic and science aren't on your side, you always lose.
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WeAintFoundShin — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 11:08 AM)
OP, corrected it: it was liked by some critics and some fans. Yes, it was similar to Star Wars, but it was still adequate at times but also cringey at times, and a very promising at times and narm at times movie.
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MacRobin92 — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 11:44 PM)
Force Awakens is almost A New Hope for this generation.
I don't personally see a lot wrong with that. I still enjoyed the movie.
I don't really care if the new movies are terrible or not. I have the old ones to enjoy and the extended universe. I'll let the new generation enjoy this one.