I don't like Kilmer, but there is one thing I agree with him on.
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kyleb18940 — 15 years ago(June 16, 2010 08:25 PM)
While certainly Moxon did some things wrong, in the football sense, Kilmer was a bigger ass, as he was risking the long term health and life of young kids for wins. That trumphs Moxon's sins.
One thing that seems to get lost I notice is that a lot of the things Moxon did was so he could bond with his team mates. While the coach/player relationship is an important one, the players/quarterback one is just as important, if not moreso. Calling his own plays, the drinking party, had their downsides of course, but they also brought the team closer to Moxon, making him the unquestioned leader on the field, which is the most important aspect of being a QB -
rdetjen — 14 years ago(September 13, 2011 10:44 PM)
For one thing Kilmer is an adult and Mox is a high school kid. Therefore he is ultimately responsible. In the second place the man was abusive, it's no wonder he sat and read a book instead of paying attention. He knew that wasn't going to be played as long as he had his glory boy. He was merely marking time, his father was just as obsessed with him playing ball as the coach. He knew that Kilmer was abusive and simply didn't care. His theory was suck it up, I survived and so will he. So yeah, maybe Mox was wrong but he was a kid and got caught up in the hype of being suddenly popular. Kilmer us a jerk, pure and simple. He threatens the lives and health of his players as well as threaten to take his scholarship away. And I think his father is a jerk too. Furthermore the reason he threw the ball at him was because the father demanded he do it like the other boys father did. Only he had been insulted and mocked and called a chicken and that was why he threw the ball at him. Obviously he hit him on purpose, but are there that many people that can honestly say that they have never done something in a flash of temper after he has been mocked that way?
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nickarizzo — 14 years ago(November 26, 2011 04:37 AM)
sothe only way people see racism is by what Wendell said?
Most of this thread is quite ridiculous,but this part is even worse.
If you need to find the racism, just look at the beginning of the movie, during the first locker room scene.
Lots of butt kissing for other players, but to Wendell, it was "pretty good running the ball" and "really not bad, BOY". -
Nate8727 — 13 years ago(April 25, 2012 07:03 PM)
I really don't see how Lance couldn't play again. They act like his career is over. He's in effing High school!! Most colleges redshirt you the first year or two depending how good you are. He could of redshirted until he was completely healed.
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Bernnard_Black — 13 years ago(October 01, 2012 04:34 AM)
Depends on how bad his injury was, though. If his knee was broken badly enough, he might not ever have been able to play again. In highschool, one of our defensive players got hit and his knew was broken. To this day, he still has a slight limp, and it's been a long time. He certainly couldn't have played for a top college team with it; maybe that's what happened to Lance.
Back to Kilmer. He was justified in some of his actions, such as calling Moxon out for reading on the sidelines, and making up his own plays. It's HOW he acted that bothered me. Hitting him with a whistle, calling his entire second string "dummy-o's", etc. Not good leadership.
I don't think it's particularly fair to say Mox doesn't support his team mates, though. Obviously they all like him, and play well with him when he takes over the QB role. Reading during a game isn't being unsupportive, in that situation. He just knew he was never playing (remember Lance's father, when Mox threw the ball to the ref, said that it as the only action Mox had seen all year). So he had no reason to think he was going to play.
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jrtomasso — 12 years ago(December 23, 2013 11:16 AM)
"pretty good running the ball" and "really not bad, BOY".
Oh no, how terrible. How awfully racist. Jesus Christ, people need to grow some thicker skin. This overly PC, social Marxist world is getting really out of hand. -
T-eschberger — 12 years ago(July 08, 2013 09:41 AM)
Did Mox drag his teammates kicking and screaming to the club? No. They went on their own.
And can you really fault a high school second stringer for reading on the sidelines when he NEVER gets a chance to play? He wasn't supporting his teammates? What kind of lame horsesh!t is that? It's f-cking high school football! That's why they have cheerleaders. What should he do? Grab some pompoms and wiggle his ass?