I had no idea Bret was gay
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ChocolateButt — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 09:36 AM)
Whoa, whoa, whoanot all flamboyant gay guys are like that for attention. Some are just naturally so, and I assume some pick it up from their communities.
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Hulkus — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 09:54 AM)
I've never met a gay man who can't turn off the show. I've been to multiple gay communities in the state I live in. Most of the ones I've met that put on a show do it for attention. In the end that's why majority of the twinks and drags do this. Some want the spotlight and the narrow-minded opinions. A few of them think it makes them stronger like it keeps them going. You go to the bear communities of the gay culture here and you'll find most are irritated with the feminine gays because that's how majority of this world think gays act. Being gay doesn't mean you have to act like an obnoxious school girl that dresses like a clown. Gay only changes the gender you have sex with; not your whole behavior, voice, and style of clothing.
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ChocolateButt — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 11:02 AM)
Those members of the LGBT community would do better to focus on supporting each other, instead of judging how others choose to express themselves. I dislike this idea of having to act a certain way to make straight people comfortable.
It's respectability politics.
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Hulkus — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 11:50 AM)
It's not all about the straight people with this issue. Again, being gay doesn't change anything about how you act as a person. Do you know how insulting it is to hear someone say to you "You're gay? You don't act gay. Are you sure?" on a regular basis when someone finds out you're gay? The twink and drag community are the sole ones to blame for this. They put on such a show that it created a stereotype for how majority of the world sees gays. I don't like the idea that some gays think they have to act like little bitches changing their wardrobe, voice, gestures, and personality just because of how the twink and drag community acts. That's insulting and the real issue why we're having topics like these right now when someone reveals they're gay when they don't fit the stereotype being seen to the world.
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ChocolateButt — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 12:04 PM)
I don't like the idea that some gays think they have to act like little bitches changing their wardrobe, voice, gestures,
Wow. Okay. First of all, there is no one way to be gay. Effeminate men exist within the same spaces as butch men. Second, it's not the responsibility of LGBT people to enlighten straight people. I'm relatively hetero and I figured that sh!t out on my own.
Third, I think the real problem lies with people like you, and not anyone in or around the gay community.
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Hulkus — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 12:16 PM)
Wow. Okay. First of all, there is no one way to be gay. Effeminate men exist within the same spaces as butch men. Second, it's not the responsibility of LGBT people to enlighten straight people. I'm relatively hetero and I figured that sh!t out on my own.
Third, I think the real problem lies with people like you, and not anyone in or around the gay community.
Please don't be offended by the little bitches comment I made. That phrase is how the drag community here in my town describes themselves. Most of the gays in the twink and drag community will describe themselves or others as bitch in a playful attitude.
Do you really think the people in the twink and drag community are being themselves or an interpretation of how they think gays should be? You go to the drag shows here and they think all gays should dress a certain way, know everything about fashion and if not have your gay card taken away, and other stupid idiotic things that's of no importance of being gay. I'm on the side of the gays that say act like yourself and stop putting on a show for people to see. -
ChocolateButt — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 12:48 PM)
I could just as easily say Bret is faking his masculine personality. That's not who he really is; he's just putting on a show so he can fit in with his cop bros and his army bros.
I wouldn't say that, though, because it's condescending and insulting to who he is as an individual. See, I don't deal in sweeping generalizations. I don't take it upon myself to decide I know someone better than they know themselves.
Most of the gays in the twink and drag community will describe themselves or others as bitch in a playful attitude
You sure didn't use it in a playful way. You're not an ally just because you go to drag shows and meet a few queens.
Do you really think the people in the twink and drag community are being themselves or an interpretation of how they think gays should be?
Hells yes. I watch RuPaul's Drag Race, and with the exception of a few of the younger, more insecure contestants, everyone there is representing themselves. Whether in drag or in streetwear. You don't get to be Bianca Del Rio because someone told you to be.
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Hulkus — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 12:58 PM)
You're not an ally just because you go to drag shows and meet a few queens.
Nope, I'm a gay guy who is tired of having the gay stereotype be based off the twink and drag community. I am tired of seeing young teens come out of the closet thinking that that is how you're supposed to act when you realize you're gay. They stop being themselves and live up to the label the twink and drag community made for the gay lifestyle. It's sad and heartbreaking that kids don't have very many role models to look up to when coming out.
Hells yes. I watch RuPaul's Drag Race
OMG ok I'm done having this conversation. You want to see real drags, go to a gay bar that has drag nights sometime. Get involved with the gay community and you'll see what I'm talking about from experience. -
ChocolateButt — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 01:15 PM)
I may be straight, but I am somehow more accepting and less judgmental than you have shown yourself to be.
You want to see real drags, go to a gay bar that has drag nights sometime. Get involved with the gay community and you'll see what I'm talking about from experience.
Maybe one day when I don't live in a country where being gay is illegal.
"What race are you? If you don't tell me I'll justassume the worst." -
SapphEyeR — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 05:30 PM)
Do you mind if I ask you, do you personally find men of the "twink and drag" community attractive? Or unattractive? Or doesn't it matter except that you dislike what you think is a just a put-on bid for attention?
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big_kmc — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 06:12 PM)
Hulkus I see your point but seeing another person's point requires the ability to listen and some intelligence. Any lawyer can tell you that it's way easier to tear down a case made by another lawyer than build a case. To create a perspective is much harder than tearing down another person's. So much for real tolerance! The new tolerance is just pretending you do.
No one perspective is purely right, only authoritarians believe that so people who have brains can say "ok this guy is speaking from his perspective and I can stfu and listen since he is actually gay!" No that would be too sane, can't have that. Instead you have all this lecturing and virtue signaling by an idiot trying to make you feel guilty because you used your own words, not theirs, and spoke from your own experience.
Going back to your original point, thanks for confirming my own observations. It is somewhat a show by these gays, you are right. Because being yourself, and being liked for you is one of the hardest things to do, so it's easier to get behind a mask. Also I know more regular gay guys like Brett but didn't even realize it until you pointed this out. I only have one slightly effeminate gay friend and he's a hair dresser so his clients expect the schmaltz. -
danielgalun — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 12:09 PM)
Why do you dislike that? Because they're gay or do you dislike it when anyone act a certain way to make other people comfortable? Personally I consider that common courtesy, and I think people who engage publicly in behavior that make people uncomfortable are rude. Sometimes I might not feel like taking a shower or getting dressed, does that mean I should go to a dinner party unwashed in and in my underwear? Social rules apply to everyone, and to make one group exempt from the rules based on their sexuality is discrimination. I do stuff to make other people more comfortable all the time, so I'd expect the same from others.
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MiketheMechanic — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 09:21 AM)
'Masculine', or 'straight-acting' gay men are the majority. Most gay men go about their everyday business and no one would know, unless they want them to.
What the media portrays and what is real life are two different things.