This movie is RIDICULOUS. For a couple of reasons
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Metal_Monster — 16 years ago(May 25, 2009 07:07 AM)
That's not my point.
This movie is trying to make a case for socialized medicine - it's a propaganda piece from the Hollywood sewer pipe - I mean media machine But it's premises about the flaws in the US medical system are all false. More to the point - they are outright LIES.
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Metal_Monster — 16 years ago(June 26, 2009 07:27 AM)
You're an idiot. Even IF she did and couldn't afford it, state welfare systems will get the hospital stay and surgery paid for.
But, unlike most of you socialist reprobates who expect ME to make for YOU to sit on your ass, MY mother and father have plenty of health insurance - even tho they're retired.
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MisterJeff — 16 years ago(June 13, 2009 11:57 PM)
OP is right. Free health care exists only in socialist and communist countries. In U.S.A. heart transplantation cost about 70.000 $ and this m.f. John Q wants a free ride.
I'm going to agree that this is a bull**** movie, but since when are Canada, England, Scotland, Whales, and Australia communist countries?
"You broke my arm!"
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blocka — 16 years ago(July 02, 2009 05:59 AM)
Of course those countries arent socialist either, but that is neither here nor there. The original poster says that the movies scenario wouldnt actually happen, while simultaneously implying that it should. That is, no one should pay for someone elses care. I rather disagree and would completely support socialized insurance here in the US, but he is absolutely correct in that the movies plot is absurd. There are tons of actual flaws in the health care system that it could have depictedpeople cutting their medication doses to save money, redundant paperwork, unavailability of preventative care that might avoid heart problems in the first place, people getting needed heart surgery but being saddled with debtbut those arent dramatic enough for a Hollywood thriller. Not to mention, and here is a mild SPOILER, that in the real world, people dont cheer and make folk heroes out of black guys (or anyone, really) who take people hostage, even if they look like Denzel Washington.
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Metal_Monster — 16 years ago(July 04, 2009 06:05 PM)
"The original poster says that the movies scenario wouldnt actually happen, while simultaneously implying that it should."
Wrong. I'm against socialized medicine. It's an entitlement program and quite simply the socialized med model in the US is broken (Medicare) and adding more people and money to it won't solve the problem. -
blocka — 16 years ago(July 08, 2009 05:23 AM)
Obviously, Metal Monster, you are against socialized medicine, or, more specifically, socialized insurance. The movies scenario is that the boy cannot get the transplant because his parents cant pay. You said, probably correctly, that this wouldnt happen. However, I was saying that you implied that he actually
should
be denied the transplant if he or his parents could not afford it, or had not purchased good-enough insurance. At the very least, you imply that wealthier people are entitled to better health care if they can afford it. With fairly minor exceptions, this is what does not happen in the countries with socialized insurance and frequently happens in the United States (though not in the way depicted in the movie). Sorry if that was unclear. -
Max1974 — 16 years ago(August 15, 2009 09:44 AM)
Yes, that is exactly what happens and it is anything but fair. I haven't seen this movie but a friend of mine suggested it as a good one to watch. I came here to see what was being said about it. I'm just not sure I'm cool with it.
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hoboboxerjoe — 16 years ago(August 15, 2009 02:38 PM)
A hospital denying a dying child a heart when one is can be given to him is INSANE. It happens, many many children have died needlessly because of lack of health care.
Socialist was such a dirty word for so long some people can't see past it. But maybe democracy mixed with a bit of socialism is just what we need.
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Mr_Blonde_Vic_Vega — 16 years ago(August 15, 2009 04:00 PM)
"Schools, police, firemen, etc. All socialized. Why shouldn't health care be? "
Well I think that you just answered your own question. Look at how inefficiently your examples are ran, do we really want our health care to be held to the same low standards? I know I don't.
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Slt10T-1 — 16 years ago(August 16, 2009 02:22 PM)
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issed by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on imdb about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. -
Mr_Blonde_Vic_Vega — 16 years ago(August 16, 2009 04:08 PM)
Nice plagiarism Slt10T-1, but do you actually have any of YOUR OWN thoughts about government run agencies??
Seems like of the examples that you COPY?PASTEd only two of them are actually customer based like health care would be.- Energy. - As we all know energy prices have been sky rocketing, I don't want that for my health care.
- Public Water. - How many times a year do we hear about public water being contaminated?
Now Slt10T-1 would you mind giving me some examples ( preferably your own thoughts this time ) of government agencies which run near as effectively or efficiently as their private company counterparts?
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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Slt10T-1 — 16 years ago(August 16, 2009 09:08 PM)
I freely admit that I copied that from an e-mail, but the fact remains that government may cost us in taxes, but, by and large, it delivers. And my water has never been contaminated, nor can I recall any time when that has happened. Now of course we all know that the DMV is pretty wasteful (we all have horror stories about that place), and yes, the redundancy of a lot of government forms (like taxes) can be pretty astounding. However, the fact remains that the U.S. is lagging behind other developed nations in terms of health care, because whenever people like you see the government getting involved, you start foaming at the mouths, citing anecdotal evidence, and basically doing anything and everything to impede progress.
And I hope that when you say energy costs are skyrocketing, you aren't referring to oil, because if you are, that would reveal how astonishingly little you understand the most basic principles of economic, which is to say, supply and demand.
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Mr_Blonde_Vic_Vega — 16 years ago(August 17, 2009 08:31 AM)
"And I hope that when you say energy costs are skyrocketing, you aren't referring to oil, because if you are, that would reveal how astonishingly little you understand the most basic principles of economic, which is to say, supply and demand."
If you believe that the government has no control over oil prices then I believe that YOU are the one who doesn't understand.
Also you did not answer my question - What government run agency runs near as efficiently or effectively as it's private company counterpart? If you can not name at least several then your whole argument is void and you should re-evaluate your whole stance on the issue.
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saint_cyr_g — 14 years ago(November 13, 2011 12:05 PM)
Excellent post Slt10-1!
I love how all these conservatives/tea baggers rant and rave about big government, yet are all their with their hands out to receive the services that benefit them. It is all well and good to use socialized medicine as a dirty word until you or someone you love is refused medical care. Its fine when you have a job and are covered. What happens when your employer decides to move your job to China in order to improve their already healthy profits. Are you then to be called a "freeloader" after working your whole life, and are now in need? It really is amazing how quickly these people will change their minds when it is their child that is dying because money and big business come before the lives of fellow citizens.
It boggles my mind how these people continue to blindly cling to ideals and politicians who's loyality is bought and paid for by greedy corporations. The very same corporations who continue to rape them and their children's futures. How one can be so willing to give their vote and loyalty to people and policies which goes against their own interests is astounding. -
met76 — 12 years ago(November 27, 2013 01:04 PM)
OP is right. Free health care exists only in socialist and communist countries. In U.S.A. heart transplantation cost about 70.000 $ and this m.f. John Q wants a free ride.
I would want to hear what this guy had to say to a sick kid who was gonna die because the parents couldn't afford the surgery.
"I'm really sorry my boy but your parents are too poor so you'll have to die. Hey, it's your fault you weren't born into a richer family." -
met76 — 12 years ago(November 27, 2013 01:10 PM)
OP is right. Free health care exists only in socialist and communist countries. In U.S.A. heart transplantation cost about 70.000 $ and this m.f. John Q wants a free ride.
I would want to hear what this guy had to say to a sick kid who was gonna die because the parents couldn't afford the surgery in America.
"I'm really sorry my boy but your parents are too poor for the transplantation so you'll have to die. Bad luck you weren't born into a richer family."
It really amazes me that some Americans talk about how great America and Americans are, yet they seem to believe one of their fellow countrymen deserves to die because he can't afford the necessary treatment. All because of their utter and extreme hate against anything "socialist".