This movie is RIDICULOUS. For a couple of reasons
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Mic21 — 15 years ago(September 28, 2010 01:13 AM)
Socialized medicine is a must; it's just not fair to let people die and deny an operation just because they are poor
In germany, there is a law that you HAVE to have an health insurance, you pay ~15% of your wage for health insurance (wage level doesn't matter as long as its over 400/ ~540$), family members can be insured (kids until ~21) for free, the unemployed get free health care, self-employed have to pay upwards of 190$ per month for health insurance
So the rich people pay for poor, but it's not THAT much
Organ transplants have a very very long waiting time in Germany, because there are not enough donors, but when the transplant is urgent and a donor is finally found, the insurance company pays for it (save for very low fees for hospitals stay and meds)
I think in Germany, they most likely they would have discovered the heart condition before, because kid's medical checkups are more thorough and depend very little on parent's income. Otherwise he would have to wait upwards of 300 days for a transplant
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 15 years ago(October 01, 2010 10:25 PM)
"Socialized medicine is a must; it's just not fair to let people die and deny an operation just because they are poor"
So by that logic, its not fair to let people educate their children at second rate public schools, live in second rate neighborhoods, not get a college degree, work for minimum wage and steal to eat.just because they are poor.
What planet are you from?!?! If you don't have money in this world, you're entitled to nothing.
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Mic21 — 15 years ago(October 03, 2010 03:28 AM)
What an ignorant response apparently for you denying someone medical treatment is the same as going to a public school or living in a second rate neighborhood?!
Life threating situation versus life quality ?
"let people educate their children at second rate public schools, live in second rate neighborhoods, not get a college degree, work for minimum wage and steal to eat.just because they are poor. "
In a social market economy (all northern and most western european countries), those problems exist much less:- Nobody - who is living legally in the country ! - has to steal or beg to eat because of welfare money (and local food banks)
- If you are working minimum wage you can get extra money from the government to make ends meet
- Free Public schools can be nearly as good as private schools (higher education budget from government I guess)
- College/university is free in some states or you can get an interest free loan
-Second rate neighborhoods are bad but still the crime rate (esp. murders) is not nearly as high as in the States (and I believe the high crime rate is mainly caused by weapon laws and very bad living conditions of the lower class, extreme poverty leads to crime and violence)
Considering the bad living conditions of the lower class ,it is really hard to believe the USA is one of the richest countries (#7) in the world
Germany is only #18 but the situation of poor people is much better (still bad considering the average standard of living here)
"What planet are you from?!?! If you don't have money in this world, you're entitled to nothing. "
So "Survival of the fittest" only?! This is unacceptable in a modern, rich country ! Do you not have any social awareness at all?
Many people who are poor can't help it, they grew up in families where they didn't have a chance. Not everybody has the chance to get a good job that acutally pays enough to make ends meet, so it is our duty as citizens to help them ! (even if indirectly by taxes)
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 15 years ago(October 03, 2010 06:43 AM)
Apparently, since you live in Germany, you have no idea how things in the States work. It must be nice to have someone else (socialized medicine) foot the bill for your medical needs. We don't have handouts like that in the States. Everyone must work to get what they need.
And in essence, denying someone medical treatment falls into the EXACT same category of living in sub par neighborhoods and attending sub par schools. Are you that socially ignorant that you've never heard of school shootings or drive-by shootings?
Since I have lived in Europe, I'm well aware of the freebies of living in a socialized democracybut thanks for trying to pretend you're telling me something I don't already know
Thanks for informing me about the state of immigrants not needing to beg, because I see people of all races and backgrounds panhandling for money on the streets of Athens EVERY FRICKEN' DAY OF THE WEEK. Its got nothing to do with their residency statusit was to do with them not being able to work due to language barriers and not being able to secure that "extra money" from the government. Does Germany just go around giving money to the needy and poor? That's not the way it works here. Even if you qualify for assitance, the red tape is a long, drawn out process, many people just don't go through the trouble of applying only to be denied because of some beaucratic loophole.
Please don't tell me how great the educational system is because its free. You know the saying"you get what you pay for"? Well when education becomes "free", quality of that education goes right out the window.
But heyat least its free, right? Who cares if you learn that 2+2=5.
So to answer your question,I'm more socially aware than you'd like to think.
Absolutely. "Survival of the fittest" (or in this case, the richest) mentality is a totally unacceptable attitude for ANY country, not just a rich, modern one.
And if YOU think the U.S. is a rich country, you need to brush up on your current events. But that's the way the world works. No one is about to lend a helping hand to the less fortunate just because its the moral thing to do.
We don't live in a Charles Dickens' novel. This is the real worldthis is how it is. Welcome to reality
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jejozi — 14 years ago(July 17, 2011 12:45 PM)
"No one is about to lend a helping hand to the less fortunate just because its the moral thing to do."
Really? Isn't helping the less fortunate one of the basic tenets of the christian church? According to the religious right, anti-gay marriage crowd we're a judeo-christian nation. So, since you're obviously not a religious person, you and your kind are just selfish baysterds? Because everyone knows you got to where you are with no help from anyone, right?
The mantra for the right; "I got mine, screw everybody else.", "More, Me, Now."
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 14 years ago(July 18, 2011 01:35 AM)
First of all, please stop following me around the IMDB boards. You're behaving like a stalker. Don't you have better things to do with your time?
Secondly, I never said I wasn't a Christian OR a religious person. YOU CAME ALONG and made THAT ASSumption and have made a fool of yourself on a public forum.
Who are "me and my kind" exactly? It sounds like you've got a bit of a political worm squirming up your ass and went and got your granny panties all in a bunch over nothing. I'm not about mudslinging between political parties. They're ALL the same. Out to keep livin' large at the little man's expense. That goes for the right, left, teabaggers, and whatever else you want to call them. ALL ARE CROOKS! I DO NOT align myself with political puppets or their pathetic propoganda. I won't go making any assumptions about YOU, your political or religious beliefs based on your posts so as to spare myself the embarrassment you didn't have enough sense to avoid.
Sounds as if you've led a hard life and have chosen to take it out on someone who tells it like it is. Write your congressman instead. Stalking me on the IMDB boards isn't going to change anything.little lost sheep.
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jejozi — 14 years ago(July 19, 2011 06:39 PM)
Oh, but I so wanted to live on the madonna board, too. Potkettle.black
Yes, you and your kind. People do the right thing everyday because it's the moral thing to do. Because ya'll don't live that way doesn't mean others don't.
And I'm not stalking you, just was curious if you were that big of an a$$ or were just having a bad day. 'twas the former. Fascinating.
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 01:03 AM)
WTF are you talking about "pot kettle black"?!
That's what you say when someone is being a hypocrite, you uneducated moron. I never said that I AGREE with the way the world works. Only making a point that no insurance company/hospital/legislation is ever going to make health care universal or free, regardless of the fact that its the moral thing to do. Apparently, when one's head is shoved so very far up their ass as is yours, its difficult to read between the lines to be able to come to such conclusions which are abundantly and glaring obvious to others.
For someone who's not a "stalker", you sure do come across as mentally disturbed and desperate for attention with your holier-than-thou attitude. I'm sure "you and your kind" will be sainted when you die for your good deeds
Tell you what, you HYPOCRITICAL, DELUSIONAL religious PSYCHO who stalks message boards passing judgement on others while feigning moral and ethical superiority, go back to the looney bin you escaped from, take your meds, and put those restraints back on. Everything will be OK then.
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jejozi — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 05:33 PM)
LOL!! You tell me to read between the lines but you can't pick up on something so obvious as you chiding me to get a life while you spend hours a day on these boards. Pot.kettle.black. You sure do think highly of yourself for someone with no originality.impressivelol.not. Nothing but an acid tongued harpy.
I'm religious???? LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! That's a good one. Remember, you shouldn't assume, little one. But then potkettleblack seems to be a way of life with you. Yer a funny little girl. And not ha ha funny.
And there's no feigning, I am better than you, although that's not really saying all that much.
Ta, beyatch.
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 14 years ago(July 21, 2011 04:01 AM)
Aren't you just the poster child for Christianity
"And a lot of the anti-social medicine crowd (the right) also are from the pro-christian crowd. Which shows how hypocritical that bunch is. You can't claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ and then deny the basics of life from the less fortunate. Mark 10:25. Matthew 25:40"
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Isn't helping the less fortunate one of the basic tenets of the christian church?
You referenced the Bible, quoting specific passages and made statements such as the above yet laugh at the thought of being labeled "religious"? You're more of a low life than I initially thought. You have the gall to use the Lord's teachings, but mock the notion of religion, playing it all high and mighty? Hypocrisy in all its glory. You should be ashamed. You're right. You're no Christian. You aren't WORTHY of such an honor. Trash like you go straight to hell for blasphemy.
Yet somehow, you have the delusional impression that you're "better than me"?
I'll agree with you there. You're much
BETTER AT STALKING
, talking smack and making dim-witted remarks than me. I'll hand it to you. After all, what kind of inbred defends their position with a pdf that's nearly a decade old, hoping no one will notice, passing it off as something relevant in 2011? What's that sound? Its your "credibility" taking a nosedive straight into the s h i tter.
Bottomfeeders like you, void of any sense of ethics and morals have no business writing BS like,
"People do the right thing everyday because it's the moral thing to do. Because ya'll don't live that way doesn't mean others don't."
What would you know about "doing the right thing"? What have you done lately that fits the definition of "doing the right thing" in your saintly perspective? Have you volunteered anywhere? A homeless shelter? A nursing home? Worked in a soup kitchen line? Offered shelter or clothing to a homeless person? Taken in a stray cat? Given spare change to a panhandler? Embodied any of the Beatitudes? Because I HAVE, you self-absorbed, pompous baboon. What's that you say, Simple Jack? No to all of the above? Then you shouldn't be throwing those stones, living in that glass house, Simple Jack. You are the lowest common denominator of our society. It gets tiresome hearing sissies like you with loud lips, spewing endless amounts of bulls h it, fooling themselves into thinking they're more important than they really are. The same folks who think only THEY have the right answers to everything. The very ones who
b i tch about the wrongs in the world are the same nitwits who, when pressed for a solution, can't give even one. Those same clueless 'tards don't have the brains nor the resources to offer towards the betterment of the situation. All they know how to do is judge, complain, gripe and whine like a bunch of
little girls
. Pseudo-intellectuals, JUST like YOU, pretending they have a clue. The same ignorant inferiors who make the argument for socialized medicine but don't want to foot the bill for it
Just take a look across the pond. Socialism is plunging all of Europe into the gutter. Capitalism, meanwhile, is working its magic on the good ol' U.S. economy over here. Yet, no matter what kind of democracy we're talking about, all over the world, in every country, the rich keep getting richer and the poorer keep getting poorer, but who here at home is going to step up to the plate and change that? The gettin's good for those few on top. Who's going to introduce legislation that will cost the insurance and pharmaceutical companies BILLIONS? How much money exchanges hands between lobbyists and their interests with our legislators? Do you know of any corporation in the health industry that's going to give up its livelihood because health care is a basic human need and gee, well, its the moral thing to do? That's the way it SHOULD BE, BUT ITS NOT and there's no one who's got the backbone to do anything about it since everyone is in someone else's back pocket. But back on up. We're not here to analyze universal health care or even the economy. You're not interested in REAL debate and real conversation about serious issues. Cognitive derelicts always are content with b itching about the status quo, but never quite have the balls to do anything about it. The spectrum of their world is limited to trolling message boards while living in Mommy and Daddy's basement.
Your copy/paste comments just REEK of originality, the same tired, mindless, slang and jibber jabber only porch monkeys understand. Stupidity at its finest. Your vocabulary encompasses the all so impressive word, "Beyatch"the I.Q. level of your posts just drops ten points with every word you write. Perhaps you weren't breastfed as a baby. Maybe your mother never hugged you and your father beat you. You might be a victim of bad upbringing and disadvantaged surroundings. Whatever the case may be, I feel sorry that you've turned out to be such a sad, pathetic, bitter, vindictive worm. The very lowest, bottom-of-the -
CCRider01 — 11 years ago(March 15, 2015 03:22 AM)
You're more of a low life than I initially thought. You have the gall to use the Lord's teachings, but mock the notion of religion, playing it all high and mighty?
Ah another "Christian" full of the milk of human kindness. What was it again that Ghandi said about Christians?
"Schools, police, firemen, etc. All socialized. Why shouldn't health care be?"
Well I think that you just answered your own question. Look at how inefficiently your examples are ran, do we really want our health care to be held to the same low standards? I know I don't.
I cannot offer opinion on those US institutions, but in Canada, public schools, police, fireman, are by and large quite efficient, at the very least far beyond the "low standards" mark. The question should be, why do some Americans, have such low opinion of their government institutions?
Is it merely rhetoric spreading anti government nonsense? Fear of the dreaded socialist / communist takeover of society that has been espoused by the American right for the past 60-70 years? Or is it really something more simple, namely the belief that Americans (and their institutions) are so motivated by $$$$, that if maximizing ROI is removed from the equation, things will quickly descend into one giant turd bowl of bureaucratic inefficiency? -
Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 11 years ago(March 15, 2015 05:51 AM)
Where did I say in any of my posts that I'm a Christian? You do know what they say about people who make ASSumptions, don't you?
Religion, like politics, is the scourge of the Earth and I wisely choose not to participate in either, but thanks for your feedback on my comments. You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
"The question should be, why do some Americans, have such low opinion of their government institutions?"
Because they are usually inefficient monetary black holes. I guess you haven't been keeping up with the Obamacare debacle that's been going on here for the past 5 years.
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 11 years ago(March 15, 2015 02:57 PM)
See what making ASSumptions leads to?
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urlug — 14 years ago(December 25, 2011 06:30 PM)
"Please don't tell me how great the educational system is because its free. You know the saying"you get what you pay for"? Well when education becomes "free", quality of that education goes right out the window.
But heyat least its free, right? Who cares if you learn that 2+2=5."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index
Notice all those 19 countries that are ahead of USA? Their schools are all or mostly "socialized" aka government paid. They are all or mostly social democracies.
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saint_cyr_g — 14 years ago(November 13, 2011 12:33 PM)
Great post Mic21!
Some people are so brainwashed by greed and ignorance they can't see how closed-minded and sheltered they are. It is really easy for someone to make such an ignorant statement as "If you don't have money in this world, you're entitled to nothing" when they have never been the one with nothing. It is easy to live in your little bubble and believe that if you work hard enough everyone will be successful. Someone that disconnected really isn't living in this world. They are clearly blind to the real situation out there. They are blind to the fact that there are plenty of people out there who have palyed by all of the rules. They took out huge loans to get the education that one must have to even have a chance at living a better life. They put in the work, graduated from university only to find that there are no jobs. We have grad students out there working at Starbucks, buried by massive student loan debt, with no job in sight. People like that ignorant poster I quoted are naive enough to believe that everyone gets a fair shake, and hard work is always rewarded. They are callous enough to believe that poverty is some sort of character defect, and therefore they should be left to die because they can not afford treatment.
Sadly there is no reaching someone who is so socially unaware. They are either ignorant or willfully blind to the reality of the world in which they live. It is easy to sit in your ivory tower and breach hardwork when they have no idea what it is to work three jobs just to keep your head above water. They have no idea what it is like to have a family member die because she had to cut her cancer meds in half because she couldn't afford the whole dose. People like that are what is wrong with this world. -
jejozi — 14 years ago(July 17, 2011 12:10 PM)
Not a question of fair or not, but whether it's the right thing to do. There are millions of Americans that work fulltime jobs, yet still can't afford health insurance. That's not right. If you work a full time job you should be able to afford the basics in life. To deny that to a person is not right. Health care is a basic need.
The wealthy in this country have been asked to pay less and less of their income to taxes. They pay less of a percentage of their income to taxes then do the middle and lower classes. Is that right? They need to help pay for their good fortune. And that's what a lot of it is, being born into the oppotunity. Yes, we hear about rags to riches stories, but they are the exception to the rule. It's a lot easier to get a good education and go to college when you're born into the upper classes. The upper 10% own more than the lower 90% combined, all the while making the rules. That's not right. America is supposed to be about a level playing field, but that's not the case, not by a long shot.
We hear that taxing the upper 10% is a "job killer", yet taxes on the so-called "job creators" has dropped to historically low levels the last 10 years, yet unemployment has risen, more and more jobs have been shipped overseas and that strategy ran this country to the brink of a depression. The pay difference between the highest and lowest employees in America is far greater than in every indutrialized country in the world. The wealthy give themselves raise after raise, all the while cutting the wages, or flat out eliminating the jobs, of the middle and lower classes.
And a lot of the anti-social medicine crowd (the right) also are from the pro-christian crowd. Which shows how hypocritical that bunch is. You can't claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ and then deny the basics of life from the less fortunate. Mark 10:25. Matthew 25:40
It's easy to tell someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but it's difficult to do if you don't have boots.
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